libby the deluxe

[chris d]

yes that's the stripper I used.
but got one for the angle grinder.
thanks paul for telling me about them in the first place.
they are very good at removing paint and rust
just got the rest of the car to do.
might need another wheel though
going to try industrial paint stripper as well
more to follow once ive collected it
chris d

[chris d]

a little bit more done
finished stripping the bonnet down and applied kurust.
got the industrial paint stripper
have to use it outside,but the sun came out so will have to try it later.
back to the sanding wheels.
started on the rear crossmember,half done
a couple of neighbours were unhappy about the noise,
so had to stop early
comments good and bad
cheers chris d

[ImpManiac]

Solid progress, Chris. That bonnet looks to be in decent shape at the front, unless my eyes deceive me.

IM

[chris d]

hi paul
the bonnet is not to bad
plenty of pin holes so going to fiberglass and fill it
I don't think it warrants cutting the panel apart
going to be use more than stella hopefully
so probably going to get scratched and stonechips anyway
cheers chris d

[chris d]

more progress
yesterday and today I managed to bare metal the front end and paint with kurust.
I used the polycarbide wheel and some industrial paint stripper.
the polycarbide wheel is brilliant but noisy on large panels. (vibration etc)
this upset the neighbours last week.hence why I am trying the paint stripper this week.
its a bit messy as well as hazardous,so must be used outside with gloves etc
sand the surface and apply,wait 20=25 mins for it to react then scrape away.sounds easy
theres 4 layers and it does a couple at a time so time consuming etc.
it is recommended by the painter etc. not nitromors.
this morning I made a start on the heater box with the stripper,then after half an hour I had a visitor
Bradford council environment officer
wanted to know why I was running a business from a private house
he had reports of excessive noise and complaints from neighbours that I was working all hours.
I asked him how this was possible seeing as I drive a truck 5 days a week and this was my hobby.
he basicly said that if there was any more complaints he would be back.
he went so out came the poly wheel and the black and recker,ear defenders and mask for me. plenty of noise for the neighbour
who incidently is 4 houses away and has double glazing.
watch this space to see if im locked up
dought it, I know the law about noise etc
pictures for your approval

[basil imp]

Wow looks great!

[ImpManiac]

Nice work, Chris.

It sounds as though you need to find some dirt on your neighbour and serve it up to them on a silver platter. Loud music for hours on end? Friends coming and going at all hours? There must be something. Report them for it, no matter how trivial.

IM

[Gaffer]

Hi Chris. Was your neighbour a Mini diver by any chance
Keep up the good work, but quietly
Pete

[benwick3]

A few tips about your problems with neighbours and noise. I know because I've had the same problem for years. Visits from the council, environmental health, planning etc, along with recently regular visits from the police. The last was because I had the audacity to start one of my Clans, fully road legal, at 7.20pm!!. That resulted in an afternoon visit by the local PCSO who wasn't too happy when I refused to limit working in my garage to daytime due to having to work for a living. Also didn't like me pointing out that noise nuisance was a civil matter and that I could see no reason why in my opinion she was wasting her time and the taxpayer's money. Her answer to this was that it could be come a police matter resulting in me being served with an ASBO!

The one thing I've learnt, however, is to keep the Council on your side. Point out politely that you are just pursuing a hobby. We found the council officers to be very open with us and in fact they could see no problem. What they did say, however, is that when they receive a number of complaints from the same person and they have investigated and found no problem then any further complaints, even if they may be justified, tend to be quietly put to one side and ignored.

Despite it being annoying I have restricted any noise to what I consider reasonable hours, i.e. 9.00pm, but I still tend to work in the garage to far later than that. Another thing I do is keep a record of the times when I'm making any noise, even when I start up one of my Clans and go for a drive. If the Council decide to proceed further with a complaint it is usual for them to require the complainant to keep a log of the times of any nuisance and your own records can be very helpful in providing a response. It's even worth letting neighbours know when you will be engaging in noisy work and roughly how long it will take. A visit to apologise when you have been noisy later than normal is always worthwhile as its shows that you are being considerate.

All a bit of nuisance but don't let them get you down and keep on with the good work.

Pete Richards.

p.s. When they come looking for help when their car won't start, as they usually do, just politely decline on the grounds that you don't want to cause a nuisance!

[ImpManiac]

That sounds like excellent advice, Pete. Thank you! Mental notes made.

IM

[bazzateer]

Neighbour disputes Glad I don't deal with them any more. Also glad that my neighbours are great (so far!).

[benwick3]

The sad thing is that most of mine are. One of my nearest was a little disappointed when he moved in as at his previous house his neighbour was always working on hi V12 E Type.

Pete Richards

[long_gone_John]

The sad thing is that most of mine are. One of my nearest was a little disappointed when he moved in as at his previous house his neighbour was always working on hi V12 E Type.

Pete Richards

....well, working on my modern [in the back lane, behind my terraced property].. Oil/Filter.. a neighbour, with whom I have been on 'nodding terms' with since moving in, ambled past and said "Ayye..busy?". I said it was just the usual bits & bobbs... he continued "Ayye..binn done it all, Ayye.. too old, got rid of mee car now"....

great old giffer, bet he's wrestled with a few recalcitrant Morris' and Pops!!

LGJ

[sammy the sturgeon]

Neighbours! on one side I service their cars every year for them, joined to them I recovered a minibus for them so they are ok with me, across the road are the nebby neighbours who know everything thats happening on the street, which is ok as I know someone is always watching if I'm away!
The other side of me complained about the dogs barking when I used to have them, and complained to the environmental health about it - in between the letter and the visit i set up a video camera and recorded him, with a stick over the back fence, banging it on the window of the back door and getting the dogs to bark, environmental helth had a lovly police man come and watch the video and have a word with him next door and I haven't heard a peep out of them in the 10 years since!
I do worry that he makes his own firework and blank bullets for his country and western weekends in his shed though, but his use of the bench grinder till ten at night just gives me 'ammunition' (a pun |) it I ever do make any noise.

Annnnny way - Libby
shes looking good and solid, you should be thankful that the paint is so tough, it looks like it has protected her well, the bonnet and front valence look good without too much crud underneath it all.
keep at it mate - you know what it feels like at the different stages!

Paul

[stilettohusky]

Hi Chris, all looking good,is the 4headlight panel still in the frame? If you need any front floor repair sections I have left and right front floor sections cut from well under sealed car are in great cond, they are left over from my Husky rebuild if you can use then I will bring them back from Hartlepool. Keep up the good work, I understand they have a good panel repair shop in Armley Prison.

[chris d]

hi everybody
thanks for the replies,
I know what you mean im, but I cant lower my standards to theres.
will see what happens on Wednesday when I continue with libby.
I might bite the bullet and shut the garage doors but well see
cheers chris d

[chris d]

a little progress
after running around with stella yesterday only managed a few hours today.
front slam panel and off side wing cleaned to bare metal and kurust applied.
no noise police so will carry on next week.
pictures for your comments
cheers chris d

[sammy the sturgeon]

I understand they have a good panel repair shop in Armley Prison.

- not far from you either Chris- and i'm sure Sue would cope!!!

i stick with what I said earlier - under that paint it looks very solid.
good going mate

[ImpManiac]

Looking good, Chris. Kurust seems to work well, doesn't it.

IM

[chris d]

a little bit more done today
bonett gutter and near side front wing cleaned to bare metal and kurusted.
of down sarf tomorrow
grandson is having a birthday party so having 4 days playing tourist in London
so back to it next week
pictures for your comments
cheers chris d

[ImpManiac]

The nearside wing looks good, Chris. It's a pity about the pinholes in the scuttle panel but I guess they're fairly straightforward to repair.

IM

[chris d]

had a good time in London
now back to the graft.
if the neighbours complain about the noise,picture 2 will come in handy
cheers chris d

[colin rooney]

When were u down chris we could have got together for a coffee

col

[chris d]

hi col
me and sue were staying at Walton on thames Thursday-sunday
gransons birthday on the sunday
so played tourist Friday Saturday
walked around imperial war museum. the mall.the palace.trafalgar square,the usual tourist bits.
then sat went to brooklands.what an brilliant experience.
if I known you were around col I would gladly have met up for coffee,
might have to come down early next year so will give you a shout
cheers chris d

[chris d]

had a good day in the garage today
windscreen frame, scuttle panel and half the roof cleaned to bare metal
them polycarbide wheels are realy good
still on the first one
cheers chris d

[colin rooney]

Yeh let me know if your down again ,you want to get some wash etch primer, some times called acid etch primer on them bare panels before the cold weather comes

keep up the good work

col

[chris d]

hi col
yes will be in touch next time I come down
the panels will be painted in kurust to day
should stop the rust coming back
then etch primer etc
cheers chris d

[chris d]

few more hours on libby today
managed to finish cleaning the roof to bare metal
then applied kurust to all the fresh bare panels
more tomorrow
cheers chris d

[ImpManiac]

You've been busy, Chris. Are you still on the first carbide wheel? I may have to get some of those.

IM

[chris d]

last update until next week
back to work tomorrow for a rest.2am start
windscreen and roof in kurust
osr wing cleaned to bare metal
bottom section of wing needs repairing also a few pin holes in rear of roof.
a bit of damage to the wheel arch edge also needs a repair,found loads of filler in wing section.
paul yes im still on the first polycarbide wheel.they are realy good if you don't press on them to hard,mine are for a drill not an angle grinder.
cheers for now
chris d

[chris d]

a bit more progress
drivers door frame and cill cleaned and kurusted
that's the off side of the car cleaned to bare metal and kurusted
only got the other side and the rear to do
holes in bonnet gutter of side and rear of roof welded up
still on the first poly wheel
pics for your comments
cheers chris d

[kilty]

Did you use Kurust on your other car Chris? Reason I ask is that I used to use it a lot several years ago without problems, but never over a whole car. Then in recent times I`ve found it to have lost it`s qualities of keeping any rust away, where there was actual rust I mean, so I stopped buying it as I seen it as a waste of money.
Also, does etch primer work as it should if there`s a coating or two of Kurust on the steel?

[chris d]

hi kilty
I used hydrate 80 on stella not kurust
a friend did some bits to bare metal and kurusted them 6 months ago and there still ok.
im doing a panel at a time so need something to keep the rust of
then im going to have a go at painting the whole shell with etch primer
the painter that is doing stellas boot says it will be ok so heres hoping
when I finish the car I will have to be gentle on the brakes, don't want the paint sliding off the bonnet under heavy braking
thanks for your concerns
cheers chris d

[chris d]

more progress
didn't manage any time on libby last week laid up with a recurring back problem.
so this week cracked on with her dosed up on pain killers.
rear window surround cleaned and kurusted
engine cover gutter cleaned
near side wing cleaned
and half the passenger door frame done
found some more pin holes in the engine cover gutter,rear window frame bottom and lower ns wing behind wheel
will have to cut out and weld new metal in,problem is I cant cut straight
so will have a go next week
pictures for your comments
cheers chris d

[ImpManiac]

Great work on Libby, Chris. She's coming along nicely.

IM

[chris d]

a bit more progress
ive started to get the car in etch primer
ive applied it with a brush because im only doing small sections at a time
its ik etch primer and im thining it down 4 to 1
off side of car in etch primer
bonnet in primer
rear x member in primer
also cleaned the tar from the inside of the roof to show the rust etc
chiselled it off then cleaned with panel wipe to get rid of the residue
then attack with polywheel and sanding disks
any sugestions how I get at the rust above the back window.
it is surface rust and has not come through to the outer side.
once I get it cleaned of will treat with kurust
pictures for your approval

[bks974c]

Chris

I've had good results with Bilt Hambers De-0x Gel - it has the consistancy of apple sauce and looks like it so will cling to vertical or overhead surfaces.

Scott

[chris d]

thanks for the reply scott
de-ox gel is good stuff but
if I applied it above the rear window how would I clean it off
I think you have to wash the panel down.
would the water cause more damage and where would it go
it is recessed so very awkward to get at
cheers chris

[ImpManiac]

It's coming along nicely, Chris.

Is your car going on a chassis tilter? If so, you could perhaps try attacking the corrosion above the rear window with the car upside down. That way, any water used to rinse the area off ought to leave the shell conveniently, rather than down the C-posts.

If it's not on a tilter, how about using a slightly damp cloth to mop up the De-Ox gel? You could use it to clear up the worst, then rinse it and use it again to clear up more, then again and so on until clean. That would avoid completely soaaking the area in water and you could dry up as you go too.

I'm not sure what effect water has when used to clean inside a shell in this way. It would be good to know because my own shell will need cleaning deep inside at some point too. I have some De-Ox to try as well.

IM

[bks974c]

thanks for the reply scott
de-ox gel is good stuff but
if I applied it above the rear window how would I clean it off
I think you have to wash the panel down.
would the water cause more damage and where would it go
it is recessed so very awkward to get at
cheers chris

Chris

All the panels get damp in use as condensation forms due to warm air on the inside and cold on the outside so its not going to do any more harm imho.
Get in with air line and hot air gun to dry quickly if worried about it and inject waxoyl when finished the car to prevent any further rust.

Stick something at the ends then most of the water will run out onto the rear shelf and can be mopped up, any that gets down inside the C pillar should run out of the drain holes in the lower rear quarter which is why they are there.

Scott
Scott

[chris d]

hi all
sorry I havnt updated in a while
been planning Barnsley start of season run. it was a great weekend.
libby has progressed a bit.the inside is stripped and primed down to the seat base.
the floor and under the dash is still to do,then the doors.
iv put her engine on the stand and started to remove the ancillaries,(got a bit bored of stripping and painting)
so im moving on steadily.
pictures to follow once ive find them.
thanks for your help and advice
cheers chris d

[ImpManiac]

It's good to hear from you, Chris. I'm glad the car is coming along.

IM

[philgsmith]

Hi Chris,

You're really getting on well with Libby. She looks a solid car. It looks like you're tackling her the same way as we did with Hilda.
Phil and Lesley

[chris d]

i cant believe its 18 months since i posted a report about libbyI
ive just removed the front wishbones from libby and they are brand new
only very light surface rust.front brakes are all new,shoes cylinders etc
rear wishbones needed derusting before painting with hammerite
the rear brakes are all new.
rear crossmember support has been derusted and hammerited
spring and shocks have been refurbed
steering rack stripped and rebuilt
engine stripped rebuilt twin stromms and sport exhaust getting fitted
and ive been doing loads of silly little bits like steering arms and changing them to fiesta trackrod ends
also been derusting small items using electrolysis.
best bit is no mess,just have to wash and paint item quickly.
i would post a couple of pics but photobucket is slower than ever so maybe later.
happy Christmas everyone and good luck for the new year
chris d

[tiker]

Hi Chris nice to see the car taking shape not been able to get to club due to shift but will turn in new year so hope to see all then.
I've also used hydrate 80 some parts have been just brushed over and left uncoated till I get to them 3 years and still rust free I thinks its good stuff
Gary

[ImpManiac]

I'd be interested to hear more about your use of electrolysis for de-rusting, Chris D. At some point, anyway.

IM

[chris d]

gary hope to see you in new year
paul electrolysis (google electrolysis rust removal)there are loads of topics
basicly plasic container with water and soda CRYSTALS not powder
battery charger sheet of metal. suspend the item to be cleaned in the solution and attach the black from the battery charger
place the sheet of metal in the bucket but not touching the item to be cleaned and attach the red from charger.
make sure the item is covered doesn't matter if the black wire is under water.
turn on and watch the bubbles leave the item.go to work and check after tea.item will be black.
gain browny points from the misses by volunteering to wash the tea dishes whilst she watches emerdale
clean the item in the water with a bit of wire wool.clean shinny metal.dry and then paint straight away.
clean sink of soap suds etc.job done
depending on the size of item and battey charger,mine is only 4amps so a steering bar is left overnight
and I kurust each item as soon as ive washed and dryed them.other advantage is it does not affect the rubber bushes only attaks the rust,no dust etc and the water can be emptied on your garden non harmfull.
will sort some pics
cheers for replies
chris d

[ImpManiac]

^^ Thank you, Chris. I shall investigate.

IM

[chris d]

pictures of front wishbones as removed and then painted in hamerite


cheers chris d

[Lebowski snr]

Curtains in the garage, or is it coach house? Show off.