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The HRCR open day at Gaydon - Apart from being pinned to my car all day talking to historic rally enthusiasts about rallying an Imp and Imp enthusiasts either building an Imp rally car or contemplating it, Henry and I met many of the 'famous' Imp stage rally people of recent times. I continue to fail to persuade Mike Hanna to come back out in the forests but there is a good chance we will see Gary Edgington, Mike Barratt and Ian Fisher out this year on the tarmac stages. Together with Geoff Taylor, myself and Geraint Thomas I am hopeful that the Jim Clark Rally in June might see a 5 or 6 Imp start!

Conversations on the subject will continue when my car goes on the Imp stand at Race Retro next month.

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Just back from the very successful Race Retro where the efforts of Simon Benoy, Richard Sozanski, Richard and Karen Claydon should be applauded for a brilliant club stand that attracted constant interest all weekend. Particular mention should be made of Tom Blackwood for bringing two of his stunning cars down from Ayrshire. For me and the rally car a few final jobs before this weekend's opening round of the BHRC The Mid Wales Stages (http://www.midwalesstages.co.uk/). Geoff Taylor is seed number 217 and Henry and I are 219 (with a Cortina GT between us). The possibility of snow will be another new experience for me but Shammy Moo is looking forward to it.

As always there will be a warm welcome (welcome anyway) for any of our Club friends at service or of course out in the forests. We leave the Newtown start at 09:00 before doing the Pikes Peak stage (9.18 miles) followed by Myherin (9.95) before arriving at service in Sweet Lamb (http://www.sweetlamb.co.uk/) at about 10:50. 45 minutes service then out again to the Sweet Lamb / Hafren stage (16.73 miles!) some of which will be visible from the service area, then Hafren before getting back to service at 12:50 ish. Another 45 minutes then back out to do Pike Peak again plus Myherin (9.95 miles).

Mike Dent (Moose) ably assisted by Keith Livesey will be in charge of service and whilst he'll have coffee and tea to spare during the waiting time, keep out of Mike and Keith's way during service or you'll get short shift!

Sweet Lamb is a great venue for spectating and chatting with the team but be warned it's the coldest place in Wales! Mail me or make contact through the rally car Facebook page 'Shammy Moo' if you want me information.

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Good luck this weekend, entry list looks good and worth a visit.
Are you doing Sweet Lamb twice as spectator info not available on the website yet?
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As far as the regs indicate we only go through the stage close to the Sweet Lamb complex once. Keep an eye on the rally website but I'll post here when I get more details.

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Hi Nigel, hope you have thawed out after spending time at Stoneleigh, or maybe you were in a hall that had decent heating. Stoneleigh really is one of the most godawful places on the planet! :evil: Or it used to be anyway. Just read your article in Impressions; hope it will help persuade some others to get involved in the BHRC. The HRCR seems to have been very keen to get Impers along and the least The Imp Club can do is to promote it and persuade competitors out. :)

By the way I believe The Imp Club remains an MSA affiliated club. I certainly hope so, I set it up 30ish years ago when I was Competition Secretary. We were also members of the Central Southern Assoc. of Motor Clubs.
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I very much hope we can tempt you out to cheer us along at one of the events this year - pity you didn't make it to Race Retro.

According to the 2013 'blue book' there is no mention of the Club being MSA affiliated and it is not listed under the Association of Central Southern Motor Clubs. Perhaps Colin Valentine has a view?

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We are definitely MSA affiliated, but we aren't in any of the regional associations. This would be a benefit if there were members who wanted to take part in events that were covered by the association without the need to join more clubs. There didn't seem to be any of these so I didn't renew our affiliation to these a few years back. No one seemed to notice, so I assume that no one needed this. We would consider rejoining if it were of use to members.

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We joined ACSMC at the time because it was assessed that it was closest to the largest spread of members likely to compete although I do recall one or two moans from "oop North". I think there was some advantage to association membership although I cannot remember what. Also being local for me at the time made it easy to attend meetings.
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The very best of luck to Nigel and Geoff and their respective co-drivers and support teams. That sounds like an epic event! :shock: I hope you all have a great time! :D

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Come and join us at Sweet Lamb. Moose will make you a coffee to keep that bitter wind out!

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I'd love to get out to a rally, I must say. :) I'll have to see how I'm fixed up this weekend and how far away Sweet Lamb is from me. Sadly fuel costs may prevent me from coming this time. :( But I shall look into the idea. And if not this time, then another time. :wink:

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Still nothing on the Mid Wales Stages website about spectator facilities, apart from Sweet Lamb, but I have heard that there is parking available at the start of the Pikes Peak stage (SS1 and SS5 see my earlier posting), just off the A44, 3 to 4 miles past the Sweet Lamb entrance (SY18 6SY). Pikes Peak will be one of the most spectacular stages to watch.

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Nigel Webster (anrw) wrote: Pikes Peak will be one of the most spectacular stages to watch.
I drove this stage a few times in a Merc van whilst helping with the Rally GB last year :o .
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I'll take your word for it but we seldom have time for the sightseeing - probably just as well!

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i have some secret test footage from rally gb last year and drove it in recce car! here is official test footage from other test venue
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so who is coming to watch? so i know how many brews to make !
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You can certainly hustle that motor along the lanes, can't you, Mike? :lol: :?

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There is a report on the Pikes Peak stage in last weeks Motorsport News. First half of it is incredibly wide, apparently it was built that way to get the big wagons in to deliver the wind turbines. :o

Best of luck guys wish I could be there, wish I could be able to afford to get out on the stages again! :cry:

Moose I am now suffering a severe case of trailer envy! :lol:

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Mid Wales Stages this Sunday
There are 2 spectator areas.

1. Pike's Peak
This is the first and last stage. The car park is entered via Map135/ 793½ 830 (layby on east of A44 with Forestry Commision sign). Entry fee is £5 per car and catering and toilets are available. A short walk (around ½ mile) will take you to the beginning of the stage and the uphill hairpins from which the stage gets it's name (the famous hillclimb). Shammy Moo is due to lug his two heavy passengers up this hill at about 10:19 and then again from about 14:15. Geoff will be a few minutes ahead of this.

2. Sweet Lamb
This is Stage 3 of the event and the Service Area is also located here. The car park is entered via Map 136/840 827¼ (main Sweet Lamb entrance off the A44). Entry fee is £5 per person with catering and toilets on site. Service is between Stages 2 and 3 and a second service between Stages 4 and 5. Stage 3 runs adjacent to the north of the service area and there is also excellent viewing of the section of stage that runs in the Sweet Lamb Bowl and watersplash. We should be at service about 11:10 and will start Stage 3 at about 12:00 returning to service at about 13:10.

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Rod wrote:First half of it is incredibly wide, apparently it was built that way to get the big wagons in to deliver the wind turbines. :o Imp022
And those wind turbines 'aint 'alf big when you get up close :o
You can see the stage winding thro' them on the first two photographs :o
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Nigel, you may find things a little different on the stages on Sunday. I have just been talking to a friend who is part of the organising team of the Somerset Stages. Following the recent fatality in Scotland they have been told by the MSA that they need to line both sides of each stage with tape, time to buy shares in the manufacturers I feel :? This to ensure that speccies are kept a considerable distance from the road. Then a course car has to run through the stage every 20 cars to see that the barrier remains intact and that spectators are the right side of it. Bound to cause delays. Then apparently the local councils are getting in on the act, calling for risk & Health and Safety assessments. He reckons it may have all calmed down by late April when their event runs but currently it's a huge headache.

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Fantastic weekend in wales both imp finished without any significant issues and both came home with trophies i am sure Nigel will be along with an update so will not spoil it but well done to the crews.
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Well done Geoff and Nigel!
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As above. Looking forward to the report. :) :)

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We had a great day's rallying in the forests of Mid Wales. Geoff Taylor started the season in blistering form (despite feeling under par with a cold) and finished 4th out of 10 in Category 1 ahead of a Porsche, a Volvo Amazon and three Cortina's (one a twin cam). I was pleased to finish 7th and second in class. We had minor problems - Geoff lost communication with his navigator for part of the rally through intercom failure but still managed excellent times driving 'as seen' and without pace notes and I had a constant carburettor issue which Mike Dent (Moose) struggled to keep at bay. Thanks to Mike, Keith and Andrew Livesey for being an excellent service crew as always. Two Imps coming home in Category 1 Historic Rallying is a great start to the 2013 BHRC.

I am sorry I didn't have time to talk to all the Imp Club members who took the trouble to come out and support us - but many thanks. If you have a photos can you let me see them via this forum, my e-mail address below or my rally car's Facebook page 'Shammy Moo'?

The first photo I have seen so far is at:


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Fantastic start to the season, well done. Fabulous photo!
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That does sound like a dream start to the season. Well done to all involved! :mrgreen:

And that is indeed a great photo. 8) One for Impressions, I'd have thought.

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I went out for a look on this rally,we got to pikes peak just as the cat 1 cars were booking into the main control,I managed a quick chat with Nigel but didn't pester him too much as I know its time to get ' in the zone' ready for the stage,I had a close up look at Nigels Chamois and it's very well prepared with a lot of attention to detail,the Imps went well up to the hairpin before a steep climb up the mountain and out of site,myself and the lads I was with were due to go to service to catch up with a mate who was co-driving for Johnathan Brace in one of the many full group 4 spec escorts and whilst there I managed to get a pack of Johnathans ( Director of Braces Bread) welshcakes which I took with me on a tour of the Service area planning to introduce myself to Mike dent and the boys in true welsh style!! :lol: Unfortunately I did not find them as the cat 1 cars had been and gone out of service and I did not know what van Mike and the lads had.
Later in the day we went into Mehyrin to watch on a downhill section towards the flying finish and the Imps were really having a go down there a few spectators were shocked when I told them that the cars were all under 1 litre!!
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Congratulations Nigel. Well done great start. :D
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It was really good to have your support at the Mid Wales Stages at the start of Pikes Peak - sorry we didn't have more time to chat. I know there are loads of white vans at rally services but our Sprinter is the only one with a cow on it - Friesian Racing. Mike and Keith will be sorry not to have seen you. Yes Henry and I will be at the North Wales Stages (formerly the Bulldog) on 6/7th April and hopefully Geoff will be there also. Hope to see you then.

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Many thanks for your post. Any chance of you coming down to Welshpool with the motor home on the weekend of 6/7th April to watch the Rally North Wales?

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Were the stages too rough for a Clan?
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Re a Clan on the Mid Wales Stages - yes but a bit marginal. We ran one stage a second time after most of the field (140 cars had been through) which would have been more difficult for a Clan. The Pirelli in May is less harsh if you want to try it out and I would suggest doing it under the HRCR Old Stager championship. For one off events a Championship is not necessary but by entering under the auspices of an HRCR championship you do get to go through each stage ahead of the field as a Cat 1 car, which is a big advantage.

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Thanks for your reply. A Clan would be Cat 2. Built for the woods but when I see some of the stages I think " it would be a pity to waste it".

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Do you mean "it would be a pity to waste it" by maybe damaging the Clan or "a pity to waste it" by not using it for what it was intended?

I may be speaking out of turn but I suspect the organisers of either championship would be delighted to see a Clan on the stages and would be able to give advice on which event would be most suitable. Maybe you may want to try it on tarmac first, or perhaps you already have?
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Shake it down over Epynt in March? Smooth as a baby's bum it is.....
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Brakedisc - I agree with Rod - use it for what is was built for. Neil is right, Epynt is an option, but is a tricky event for people who don't know the stages. If you are wary of Epynt (like I am) how about a nice drive round the Berwickshire countryside (closed roads tarmac) and join what I hope will be the best ever Imp rally turn out at the Jim Clark Rally (31st May/ 2nd June). If it's gravel you want, the Pirelli in the Kielder forest is the best bet as it is very smooth. As a Cat 2 car you will be running through the stages after the Cat 1's but there are only 14 cat 1's so far registered in the BHRC.

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Great to see the Imps finish on Sunday.

Have tried to attach photos from Photobucket but keep getting told the images are over 800 pixels wide when they have been re-sized to 300 wide?

Would be great to see a Clan out on the stages - what about the Mini-epynt Stages in June?

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Fabulous photos. 8) Thank you!

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