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Hi
A couple of ammendments to the HSA calender. The Wiscombe round
is on the saturday 23rd of April, not sunday 24th. Also i have been told
(although not 100% confirmed) that the curborough event on 19th of June
is going to be moved to the 12 of June. This is good news for me as the reason they are moving it is because its on the same weekend as Le-Mans, and i'm going to the big race in France this year.

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eric see you at le mans then i'll be at maison blanche. whats the closing date fo wiscombe?

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Entry list for Easter Monday Loton arrived today. Richards Jnr and senior both have entries (dad's first ever hillclimb, he's 64 in August!), as does Eric (have they put you in the wrong class Eric, or have you bought a road-going car to join us in class N?), Ibbo is there in the Dav, Andrew Till in his Clan. Why not go to Donington on Easter Sunday and then Loton on the Monday and have an Impy Easter?
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Gerry
Opps, my fault entirely. I read the class list for the National ‘A’ events & entered the wrong class. I will contact them Monday & explain my stupidity. I could always draw some tread on the slicks & put pictures of an interior in the windows but I think I’ll get rumbled . I’m also thinking of going to Donnigton on the Sunday for a look - see you there as long as the car is ready for the Monday.

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P.S. closing date for Wiscombe is 7th of April.
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Nice to catch up with Eric and Ibbo at Loton. There's plenty to come from the car in terms of pure speed, but we drove there, did our 8 runs and drove home again and the car didn't miss a single beat all day, we literally didn't put a spanner to it - it was great to blast out of the gates at the end of the day while everyone was messing around with trailers in the paddock!

We ran in the pre-72 classic class against a 1600 Anglia, 1275 Cooper S, a 1700 TVR Vixen and a 1600 Elan Sprint on race tyres. The Elan was running on three cylinders, and I was quickest in morning practice in the damp and got given the lowest handicap time at 68.6, which is a good time for a G15 or a Davrian - how does that work!!?? Surely it should be taken into account that the Elan wasn't running right and the other drivers were taking it easy....

Anyway, the Elan got going in the afternoon and won (surprise), but the Imp was still quicker than the Mini and the Anglia 8) . Ironically, if I had entered road-going saloons up to 1400cc and not the classic class, I would have won the class by 2 1/2 seconds from a Nova 1400!! You live and learn.

Let's have some more cars out in class N later in the season
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Hi all just in the middle of preparing my car with a 930cc t2 turbo engine and was wondering what class it would be placed in a hillclimb event?

Also im just doing the piping for the front rad and I was wondering if it would be acceptable (regulations) to use half silicon hoses and half copper pipes? and if a return fule pipe line can go in the car not outside?

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Unfortunately you can't be in class N (roadgoing imps) in the HSA championship as your engine will be classed as too big. The MSA have an equivalency factor of 1.4 for turbo's so your car will be classed as having a capacity of 1302cc (altho' i tink they are really 928cc so 1299cc). The cc limit in class N is 1050cc so that's out. Class P will take you tho' as there is no capacity limit, as long as its a imp engine, but you will be up against single seaters & clans & turboed Davrians etc (plus a little yellow Imp :-)).
Also the Classic classes will probably take you and the modified Production cars up to 1400cc will take you in gladly. There is always a class to take you somewhere, just be careful with your tyres for roadgoing classes.

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nearly ready for Wiscombe

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awaiting my 2005 blue book, is the timimg splitter still the same dimensions 254 x 54 ?

think I've done the rest

afff extinguisher
twin throttlesprings
pump off on ignition
ign on / off marked
seat bolted in with 8mm bolts
harness fitted
yellow earth lead
coke bottle for catch tank
front bulkhead sealed

license, club card, mot, dvla log book,championship card, crash helmet and overalls

anyone know anything I've missed for the HSA Aldon championship
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Keith.
Sounds pretty good.

Just a couple of things just in case the scrutineer is having a bad day :-)

Make sure the throttle springs, if they are twin webers, operate on the spindles, not just the linkages. The standard weber type throttle linkage has the return springs operating on the linkage itself, & a pushrod operates the sprindles. The argument is that if this pushrod breaks there is nothing shutting the throttles. The extra springs should be fitted to the outside ends of the spindles. The sctritineers love to see springs that actuate direct on the spindles. If you are using dellortos then you don't have to bother as you can see the standard returns springs (which are hidden on the webers so you don't know if they are ok. On stombergs or even a slowlex :shock: again make sure the throttle return springs operate onto the spindles, not the linkage & is quite visable.

If you have a standard seat (passenger or drivers) make sure it can't tip forward. make a clamp to hold it in the down position.

Your hand held fire extinguiser, make sure its got a quick release clamp around it holding it into its bracket. The last thing you want in an accident is a 2 kg lump of metal flying around the car :( .

If you have a roll cage fitted fit some protective padding to anywhere where you head could hit, use the proper stuff , not pipe lagging.

I have over the years fallen foul of all these things, at seperate times, but never been stopped from competing, just a "sort it out for next meeting".

At wiscombe, tell the sctutineer it's your first event, he'll treat you gently & suggest anything that will help.

See you in a fortnight

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Done two rounds now - Loton Easter Monday and MIRA on Saturday. Just me and dad out so far in class N - anyone else coming to join us in the Midlands? Regs are now out for the June Curborough if anyone fancies it.

Mixed day at MIRA - won the class winners run off but Tom had a big shunt in the Pimp. Fortunately he seemed OK on the day -any news on car and driver Eric?

Good luck at Wiscombe Keith - everything ready?
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just awaiting finals, and car going across to mr sykes tomorrow to check out carbs,

then its on the trailer and take some deep breaths all week

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Keith
Unfortunately i won't be at Wiscombe this weekend as the car was rolled at MIRA last saturday. Car is repairable with a gallon of fiberglass & a new roof :roll: . The driver (not me) wasn't hurt but the car definately won't be out for a couple of months. Using our limited crash investigation skills, we think a rear tyre deflated whilst cornering hard, which with the very wide & low profile cross-ply slicks, meant the rim dug in & tipped it on its side where it slid quite happily until it ran out of track & then dug into the earth & flipped onto its roof & the tyre wall did a good job of stopping its wayward progress. The marshalls & medical staff were superb & Tom was fully checked over before he was allowed back to the paddock. Mechanically the car is undamaged, just the roof & all the righthand fiberglass panels are worn a bit thin in places, & a full set of new plastic windows required. The car was looking very tatty anyway so its probably time for a bit of a tart up session.
If you have any problems at Wiscombe, Andy Till in his clan is going so look for him, & my friends Ben & Wil Hamer are their with their Turbo Mini & they will gladly help you out.

Have a great day

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Eric,

Give me a call if you need any bits off one of the scrap shells i have; a complete roof or pillars etc., the roof is probably not good enough for a road car but might help you out, whatever you need to get the beast rolling again.

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Brain

"whatever you need to get the beast ROLLING again"

we'd rather not :twisted:

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Eric,

Figure of speach, i'll have a look at roof's tonight weather permitting.

BTW: you can spell my name right if you want :wink:

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we went it rained, we conquered now I know why they call it wet wiscombe
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Top man - was it as much fun as you thought it'd be?
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fun , in extra large doses, didn't really care that it rained , need to sort brakes for better feel but hey i'm gonna join woolbridge and go again looking towards maybe the next mira round , can't do curborough i'm on route to le mans

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Don't forget the next MIRA has been moved to May 28th - I'm gonna be there subject to babysitters, as my wife is away that day with my sister-in-law!! I'll know in the next few days - if you're gonna be able to make MIRA it will certainly make me pull out all the stops to be there, as the only Imp I've raced so far this year is my dad in the same car!
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Probably joined this one a little late, however another option for imp engined racing is in the SRGTC. I've run a Ginetta G15 Davrian there for about 6 years now and have had some good clean, fun racing. You can see details on www.srgtc.org.uk Basically cars must be a Sports racing or gt car (or replica of) built up to 1975, running on 1a / 1b tyres. No forced induction allowed.

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is anyone entering gurston 27/28 august weekend in the hsa?

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Can't do it unfortunately - I'm now just down to do MIRA on 17th September and then the season closer at Curborough on 9th October. Looks like we may go the whole season without meeting.
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I won't be there unfortunatley, car won't be out until next year :roll: . Well worth going tho', as it's part of the british hillclimb championship. Equivalent to being in a support race on a british touring car event. All the top runners will be there and the HSA have there own class, so there is no pressure. Very good atmosphere & nice track facilities. My mate in his mini last year went up (well you actually start down hill) straight after Adam Fleetwood (hill record holder) every run, made the mini look very slow :twisted: , 80 mph at the bottom of the hill against 143mph. (and only 70 mph for me in the imp, but i could take the corner at the bottom flat out :lol: ).
I have a dvd of the event last year if you are interested, i could post it to you.

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hope to be at Curborough for the end of season.

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:shock: Hello Boys , Last season I was Class N or at least it would seem I must say it is wonderful to scream around all the venues and think S*d the cost 'cos I'm doing what I'm doing because I like it , not to mention that when you look at the posted times for some of the hills and sprints I was level pegging with bigger cars and bettering some . I had hoped to be out there this season to mix it with Gerry and his dad but the cart I have to transport the imp has eaten all the dosh in fixing it up , so I'll have to waive this time but I'll be there next time so we can have a little bit of a razz :D up the hills and across the tarmac . I would add that you can be a 'wisher' for a lifetime , but I can at least say now that I am a competitor or at least last year I was . :D Andy . Oh Eric ! hope you got your car sorted following it's inversion sorry to hear it happened via the mag .
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The article in impressions this month has reminded me of a much loved time. It could be a bit like an old girlfriend that you remember being fantastic until your paths cross once again and you really remember! But hearing of loton bought back my foundest memory and for anyone considering returning or starting to compete it is worth every penny. It needn't cost the earth as the battle is against yourself, yes the trophies are great i would be the last to tell you the not but the real satisfaction came from my own personel progression. Finding the limit and feeling and hearing what the car is telling you is the greatest feeling on earth, that is true of a standard 875 or a fully tuned single seater 1120. It is finding your limits and pushing the envolope of the car, getting out and knowing although there were mistakes, you have done a good job and had fun. Gerry i feel it only fair to tell you the winning time in my year was 68.80 at loton and the record which i don't and very guttingly don't have was set by andy jones in his turbo at 68.72 i think on a day when no one protested his imp. For those who don't know it was fantastic turbo imp. I hope this isn't the last time i write but i would encourage anybody to just read the regs and enter if you can. I am very tempted to return, with five races to go full grids would push gerry high into the overall table and that would be great for the imp. Stumacher :D
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The article in impressions this month has reminded me of a much loved time. It could be a bit like an old girlfriend that you remember being fantastic until your paths cross once again and you really remember! But hearing of loton bought back my foundest memory and for anyone considering returning or starting to compete it is worth every penny. It needn't cost the earth as the battle is against yourself, yes the trophies are great i would be the last to tell you the not but the real satisfaction came from my own personel progression. Finding the limit and feeling and hearing what the car is telling you is the greatest feeling on earth, that is true of a standard 875 or a fully tuned single seater 1120. It is finding your limits and pushing the envolope of the car, getting out and knowing although there were mistakes, you have done a good job and had fun. Gerry i feel it only fair to tell you the winning time in my year was 68.80 at loton and the record which i don't and very guttingly don't have was set by andy jones in his turbo at 68.72 i think on a day when no one protested his imp. For those who don't know it was fantastic turbo imp. I hope this isn't the last time i write but i would encourage anybody to just read the regs and enter if you can. I am very tempted to return, with five races to go full grids would push gerry high into the overall table and that would be great for the imp. Stumacher :D
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Hi Stu (should it be Stu-lonso now?)

Good to see you're coming back to the Imp fold, a bit like getting back with an old flame, but even more expensive!!

Yes, Andy did some fantastic times in his turbo, but don't forget that my article and therefore quoted class records related to class N (less than 1040cc and fully road legal), whereas Andy's turbo put him in class P (basically anything over 1040cc or any non road-going Imp engined cars of whatever capacity) - did you do a sub-70 at Loton in an under 1040 normally aspirated car, or was that when you had the 1070 fitted?

As I remember it, the protest on Andy's Imp wasn't so much about the HSA Imp classes, it was from the drivers of other cars in the up to 1400cc modified production class who were fed up of him beating their twenty grand Novas and Minis!!!! I think it was 'cause he was using his A008Rs at the time - not list 1a.

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I guess stu-lonso pretty good. Although Andy was in class P he entered into class N for some reason at this event, i wasn't there the day he set the record. As for the second part of the question i never had the good fortune to run daves 1070, so that was a class N time with my 1040 Naturally aspirated. would have beaten Andys time if hadn't of gone side ways near the pond :lol: . Am trying to fix it so i can make MIRA at the moment. Having carb problems at present but will fix that once it is run in. The car is modified at present to the absolute word of law for class N due to an atempt at circuit racing at SEMSEC. Sadly engine blew up on a test day 2 and half years ago haven't driven since! Still that is quickly changing have only about 500miles more of instilation, one test day at lyden and all should be well again.
Cheers for reigniting the flame Gerry

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today from gurston

first run time 50.67 hollow 65mph k'sel 26.15 finish 63mph first ever time on hill

second time 48.54 hollow 64mph k'sel 26.11 finish 65mph this run was just after a heavy downpour actually ran with wipers on

third time 47.08 hollow 65mph k'sel 24.57 finish 61mph this run had the car sideways between k'sel and ashes

so back tomorrow for one more practise then two timed runs
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Keith,

Best of luck tomorrow (and don't do what I did on my first visit to Gurston - outbraked myself into the tight right at the bottom of the hill and went grasstracking!!).

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Saw your car at National (very very nice it is too), but unfortunately didn't get to speak to you personally! Good luck at Gurston, a hill I've never been to but would love to do some time - are you still planning on doing Curborough on 9th October?

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first practise today

time 47.32 hollow 65mph k'sel 24.72 finish 59mph

first com run

time 46.28 hollow 65mph k'sel 23.92 finish 64mph

final run

time 45.44 hollow 65mph k'sel 23.81 finish 64 mph


boy was that fun , anyone got any previous Imp times from Gurston?
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Is anyone staying local on the friday night? Learnt today my entries accepted.
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Went to see the hillclimb on Sunday and watched Stuart Cairney beat the Mini's in the damp conditions. I got a good photo of him on the hill, does anyone know if he is contactable through the forum to let him know?

Hope to see many of you at Curborough in October, in the Imp. :D
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Can you post the picutre on the forum? - I know nothing about Stuart or his car...
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:D Way to go Stuart! Imps rule! :P

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Have posted 4 pics from the Shelsley hill climb in the Events album, includes a very nice Avenger that was competing. I assume most Imps were running on Saturday having looked at the HSA website
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