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Post by moose » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:02 am

i am about to start the restoration of FFG549D i have up loaded a few pics of the before stage is any one interested in the progress of the work?

i plan to compete on bigger events so i am going to add some extra skids and plates etc, the car has done 6 full seasons at an average of 14 events per season approx 100 miles per event. so needs some TLC.


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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:10 am

I am certainly very interested to follow the progress of your restoration, Mike and I am certain that many of us are. :D Where did you put the photos? I am about to scan the albums to find them.

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Post by Pobsport » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:44 am

Be nice to see it out and about again when you get it all done
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Post by moose » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:01 pm

pics in album under body work at the moment.
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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by moose » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:50 pm

updates to follow i have just been too busy, Sam is time consuming :) and the rally car is coming along but once you start the jobs get bigger, step dads cortina twincam is now flying and setting top ten places 9th Berwick classic, 3rd Viking so that is one engine gone and working, Gaz has taken the CVH to put in the Escort, the crossflow has gone and is performing well, no competitive results yet, Dereks Beetle is now handling well and took young Sam (thompson) for a good ride out on a Morecambe car club 12 car after i put him in the nav seat 4 hours before the event and taught him how to navigate in 15 mins, could do no more as i was scrutineering and course closing car. Sam never call in, you never know what you will end up doing!

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Post by thompson1248 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:58 am

i know what you mean got to see enough unnderseal over the past few weeks, and luckily for me my girlfriend has voluntered to help me over the next few weeks (after finsihing her exams) i told her she could roll around under the car scrapeing underseal of and she loved the idea :D crazy girl, doesn't know what shes let herself in for :lol: .

It was a good 15min lesson by the way! it got us to 8 out of 12 time controls and 20 out of 26 course boards, unfortunatley that was all i had time to plot at the start (told we would have an hour by the organiser which turned out to be 30mins) and lancashire is hilly and my tummy new it :oops: quew a roadside pit stop.

Car is looking indestructable at the moment mike its going to be a right bruiser when its finished, i am shaw you will be able to take on any rock, boulder or tree stump and smash it to pieces :) maybe not quite!

i will be out of your hair for a few weeks now! enjoy the time of :wink: i will be up in the imp in 3 weeks i am sure

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by moose » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:42 pm

Sam your first venture into rally navigation was an excellent effort, Derek was really impressed and the seat is open anytime you want. For a first attempt and a hurried lesson looking at the results you dropped 4 seconds over Haylots and no time anywhere else on route, you collected all passage checks and code boards so if you had continued that for the final 4 controls you would have been second! Never under estimate a Beetle driven by a pensioner. i have been spending long hours on the rally car we are now round to the nearside rear arch and panel, Derek has made another rear corner from a flat sheet of steel! the back panel has been made to fit properly and the exhaust exit cut to allow max ground clearance. the rear arches have been tubbed to increase strength and prevent rot where the inner and outer arches meet. Many thanks for the unserseal and other rubbish you have scraped off i hate that job and because you are doing it to your own car aswell i am even more suprised you came down and helped out. looking forward to being the wrong seat for the Cumbria :roll: just don't hit anything on my side! regards mike
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Post by thompson1248 » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:19 pm

don't hit anything at all is what you meant!!!! Just checked my diary and got 4 weeks to go and thought i only had 3, feels like a might manage it (just).

The misses came to work on the car today and I gotta say she is a hard worker, for someone who doesn't like cars (and especially mine) she worked like a soldier and got as much scraped of as i would have done in the same time. Plus she wasn't bothered about the fact that she came from underneath the car looking like a panda with goggle marks and crap all over the place, and she is coming back for another 3 days,commited or what!!!! maybe i should bring her up next time. :wink: have your car done in a day. On that front my floor pan and arches are underseal free and i am getting there, pictures to follow soon and i am consdidering what to paint it with underneath tractor enamel is looking like the best with an oxide primer any thoughts???

Sounds like you've been busy, hope to see it soon, keep up with the long hours,i know i am and it seems to be getting me somehwere for once!!!!!!

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by bazzateer » Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:27 pm

Sam,

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by ImpManiac » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:25 pm

Nice work, Mike. Do you think it'll be ready for next season? Is that still your aim?

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Post by moose » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:46 pm

will definatley be ready few more mods to sort/plan but it is going forwards all the time.
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Post by chris d » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:37 pm

looking good mike.
keep up the good work and post some more pics please
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:39 pm

Great work , like the modded chassis leg , neatly done. :D
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Post by ImpManiac » Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:29 pm

Very nice work, Mike! :) With practice, I shall be able to produce work like that. :wink:

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by moose » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:06 am

thanks for the kind words

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more pics of last weeks work, i have decided to cut the lip from the inner arch and rather than replace as standard i have cut back to meet the outer arch this prevents the two skins from being a water trap as standard. It is very strong and when welded up and sealed should prove easy to keep clean and prevent rotting from the inside out. There is also a picture of the combined manifold that i have had hot zinc coated i have been doing this for 6 years (re-coat every 2 to be fussy) it is the only coating i have found to stay on! The door has been slightly lightend the quater light will be poly carb bonded into the original rubber and the main window will be also poly carb running in the original runners.

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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:05 am

I look forward to seeing the piccies when I get home from... ahem... work. :oops: :wink:

Do polycarbonate side windows not scratch horribly in door drops? I wanted to do this on mine but was advised against it!

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Post by Basildon310 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:20 am

moose wrote:i have decided to cut the lip from the inner arch and rather than replace as standard i have cut back to meet the outer arch this prevents the two skins from being a water trap as standard. It is very strong and when welded up and sealed should prove easy to keep clean and prevent rotting from the inside out
Hi Moose,

I've done my Chamois Coupe like this. Go careful when welding as the wings can distort! :wink:

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by moose » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:30 am

Cheers Basidon i am spot welding one spot a fortnight to keep the panel cool as i put a ripple in the other side even though i was careful, having seam welded and arch in one run on my first car many years ago :lol: i hate rubbing down filler after that experiance.


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Post by timmchugh11 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:29 pm

you finally cracked on

i need to come down and have a nosey me thinks
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Post by moose » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:42 pm

anytime Tim (now that you don't drip oil on my drive).
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Post by chris d » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:11 am

nice work mike
looks like you are making good progress
a true professional at work
like the carpet on the floor
is that for your benefit or the cars :)
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Post by moose » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:22 am

Chris carpet and covered in a blanket with the air con/de-humidifier running of course it is for the cars benifit!

IM the windows will scratch eventually so i will cut some spares only 21.75" X 17" so not going to break the bank if they need changing every year or so ( i will make my own) it is a pure rally car the only road runs are to shows and the pre-event blast to make sure everything ok, so not a daily driver with the windows up and down all the time. Probably wreck something more expensive during an event anyway! :)


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Post by timmchugh11 » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:39 am

moose wrote:anytime Tim (now that you don't drip oil on my drive).
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Post by Pobsport » Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:40 pm

Be time you ve finished it will be too good to rally. Hopefully that might give me a fighting chance of beating you :lol: . Looking good Mike
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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by moose » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:20 pm

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progress this week

car is now on the spit i made this week and the back corner is finished bar a few spot welds cleaning up ready for welding is the next step working towards the front of the car. Back panel is done and engine cover fastening bracket welded in place, really ready to get primed put in bubble wrap and stored for re-spray.


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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:38 pm

Nice work, Mike. :) Using a roller has got to be the way to go. I think I shall get a couple of engine stands and do something similar.

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Post by moose » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:27 pm

well we are nearly there and the car is going for a bath, i wasn't quite set up for the whole car chem clean but it is now possible so i am going to dip the whole shell even though i have spent many hours with the nitromors and flab wheels etc but i am confident we will find no more rot but i want the inside to look as good as the outside. The descision has been made to run the car for two seasons and then put into retirement it will be tidied up and only come out for special events when i feel like it, this is due to the poor re-sale value and the fact that i have owned the car for so long i don't want to part with it. So i am hunting round for the next project i have a short list based on different ideas switching between, like an imp to front engine rwd!

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1. Skoda 130RS
2. Talbot sunbeam 1600
3. BMW 2002
4. Fiat 127 sport/gt
5. TVR 1600 (cos i know where there is one! NO welding :) )
6. Fiat 131twincam or Lada version of same
7. still thinking

all the excess imp tuning parts will be for sale when i lay the car up and i have scared myself with how much stuff i own! Been to the buildings to list it all how do you collect all that junk?

photo's of the cars progression to follow.

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by james » Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:10 pm

moose wrote: 5. TVR 1600 (cos i know where there is one! NO welding :) )
Don't count on it - the chassis is still steel and rusts quite nicely.

Although the welding doesn't have to be up to the cosmetic standards of a steel shell.
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Post by moose » Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:23 pm

i will be starting from scratch to build a rallty car so the chassi will be galv and new.

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Post by james » Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:28 pm

That's all right then. :D
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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:33 pm

What about a Triumph Vitesse? Very tuneable, quite compact, agile... I read an article about a 1.6-litre rally Vitesse in C&SC many, many years ago. It was highly competitive! Even used to catch Lotus Cortinas on stages!

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Post by impmann » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:20 pm

/\ Yes!

Poxy rear suspension on Vitesses make them fairly poo on rough stuff and scuttle shake is an issue even on road cars (even with a tin top on them). The 1.6 is a bit prone to crank flex, the 2.0 is a bit better but would be better at long distance stuff rather than off road.

Fiats - great engines, lousy bodywork and feeble electrics. I used to sprint/hillclimb a 127 Sport and it was marvellous - until the body fell to bits.

Skoda - terrible gearboxes and frankly a bit clunky IMHO.

For me - BMW 2002. INCREDIBLE engine, light and strong body, EXCELLENT parts availabilty (BMW can supply many OE parts over the counter and the parts aren't dear when you look at their quality. Plus - and this is the big one - superb handling, straight out of the box. Avoid rusty cars - they can rot badly - and avoid the Touring (weaker shell, poorer parts availibility and always seem to rust more!).
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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by Cally » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:38 pm

Hi Mike

Theres a few of us on this Forum that are into Avengers and/or Sunbeams as well - Both cars still being raced and rallied successfully. Russel Brookes recently re-drove his old car and showed he still has 'it'.
Avenger Sunbeam Club [ASOC] which is a sister club within ARCC, covers both these and there are plenty of great guys who could give you answers/information on rally cars > ASOC Magazine Editor Andy Holmes to mention but one > just click on contact Editor on ASOC Website to get in touch with him

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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:50 pm

Nah! The good ol' Vitesse can be made to work! And if the car is to be rallied, it will be getting a full cage anyway, so rigidity is less of an issue. Crank flex may be an issue on 1600s but the one I read about could still spin up to 8k rpm, no probs. :D

But you are right, Tim; the BMW 2002 is a great car straight out of the box. And that engine... A much better proposition! :wink:

But whatever you get, Mike, you'll make it work. :wink:

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by moose » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:57 pm

thanks for the info and encouragement chaps i have contacts with the ASOC and SLOC in fact i have a pile of spares for such vehicles that maybe on the market soon! to be honest the sunbeam looks favourite as i have always said with the historic rallying front engine rwd is the only way for speed and reliability and the differance between Avenger/sunbeam and Escort is only the driver if preparation is equal on period parts not cost. I am just built to like the underdog hence starting classic rallying with an imp when the obvious choice was a mini based on performance and prices, time marches on and things change like the rules to allow the Escorts to do what they did in their day, i have been put off going for the big events due to the red tape that is unfairly against the clubman (in my view, because they might turn up and do a giant killing) we will leave that there as it is my opinion and i don't want to do politics! so the imp will come out and be abused flat out no matter what and then to prove to myself that the car makes the differance i will spend a load of money/time and effort producing the next period rally car to probably battle against 6R4's which will be eligible by the time i get it done :lol:
pictures taken tonight of the progress so watch this space! (your not really that sad are you?)

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Re: FFG 549 D restoration

Post by ImpManiac » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:34 am

(your not really that sad are you?)
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