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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:39 pm

Whilst tuning up the Vusky a few weeks back I noticed an awful lot of engine vibration was being transmitted to the alternator .
The engine is very smooth and responsive and ticks over steady as a rock . I suspected this was due to the Denso,s single mounting bolt and my adjusting bracket design .
Ive also noticed my Beemers alternator is rubber mounted which is certainly to stop excessive vibration wrecking the alternators internals.
At work I upgrade Denso alternators to increase output , these go on rally cars and have what can only be described as a miserable hard life , early on in this job at the prototype stage he was having problems with the wires of the stator shearing off due to this vibration , so it must be an issue .
Ive go no intention to rewind my stators again just to include these flexi stator leads although I could , but was keen to try a rubber mounting idea.
Theres not enough metal on the denso to fit a main rubber mount but the adjusting bracket could be done.
Anyway ive made an adjusting bracket to include an Imp rear wishbone bush , I machined a holder for the bush at work then welded this to my existing bracket , bush fits in this then the other part of the bracket bolts to this bush effectively making one half of the alternators mounting damped .
Results are brilliant , vibration transfer from the engine has all but gone even at high revs.
Ive a feeling my alternators will last a fair bit longer mounted in this way.
Got the Singers to do now :D :D :D :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:57 pm

Before and after pictures Noddy?

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:21 pm

Lotus-e-Clan wrote:Before and after pictures Noddy?
Surely that would be the most boring picture ever :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:23 pm

You'e kiddin'... :?

I'm up for it! :shock: :lol: :shock:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by ImpManiac » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:29 am

I'd be interested to see it too. :)

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:27 pm

Ive just done the Singers but in a completely different way ,
This new MK2 version is just as effective but requires no welding , Its a 1/2 hour job but does require a few quid spending.
All in all very chuffed :D :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:55 am

C'mon, man. We need the photos! :P

:idea: I for one had never realised that this could be an issue for an alternator, since most vehicle manufacturers bracket them straight onto engines.

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by imp.sport » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:37 am

Oh Noddy your such a tease..
Anticipation brings me to my knees
To see such a mod
Waiting is such a sod
Anti vibrating bush
Sounds like its lush
Waiting for the picture
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What am I to do...
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by bazzateer » Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:44 am

^^^^ :roll: C'mon Dave, put him ^ out of our misery! :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:53 am

ImpManiac wrote: :idea: I for one had never realised that this could be an issue for an alternator, since most vehicle manufacturers bracket them straight onto engines.

IM 8)
I suspect most manufacturers just dont care and I also suspect its the single denso mount that might be causing the vibration. Yes you will always get some due to the fanbelts flexing as it goes around but vibration from the engine will only add to the problem
Anything electrical isnt keen on excessive vibration , any soldered joints can let go as solder has no strenght whatsoever.
My Beemer certainly has a rubber mounted alternator and ive seen quite a few different ones at work for various cars .
As for pictures
Il think about it :twisted: :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by imp.sport » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:36 pm

Noddy wrote:think about it :twisted: :lol:
Oh NOOOoooo .....ImageImage
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:43 pm

imp.sport wrote:
Noddy wrote:think about it :twisted: :lol:
Oh NOOOoooo .....ImageImage
OK I give in , cant have wailing on here can we. This is the MK2 version . Really does work well . :D , I made up the metal ends to prevent any excess movement although it doesnt really need them .
So what do you think its off of then :?:

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,alternator mount , piccy added

Post by imp.sport » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:04 pm

Well disapointed..
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Could you not get the thing in red? :lol:

Ignore me I am in a very odd mood BTW..... :roll: Its well done Noddy! Hip Hip...etc
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,alternator mount , piccy added

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:07 pm

imp.sport wrote:Well disapointed..
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Could you not get the thing in red? :lol:

Ignore me I am in a very odd mood BTW.
I can always remove the image if your not happy :roll: :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,alternator mount , piccy added

Post by imp.sport » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:34 pm

Please don't.
As a more constructive input did you consider a rubber mount at the engine side as well as the adjuster?
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:41 pm

Before....
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After....see what he's done? Simple and clever.
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,alternator mount , piccy added

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:45 pm

imp.sport wrote:Please don't.
As a more constructive input did you consider a rubber mount at the engine side as well as the adjuster?
That was to be the next stage but fortunately not needed .
I would like to add that this idea is unlikely to be required on any alternator with the more normal three mounts and maybe not even on a Denso if id thought about the adjuster a bit more :roll: . I didnt want it bolted to a water pump stud which ive seen , but did want it to collapse for fan belt changes / adjustment
It has removed excess vibration though so its staying ,
By vibration I mean what you can feel when touching the alternator with the engine revving , NOT alternator movement :)

For those who think they this heres what i used

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-REAR-POL ... _820wt_952

Or a yellow one if you wish

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-REAR-POL ... 2156wt_952
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Anti-vibration alternator mount

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:52 pm

Lotus-e-Clan wrote:see what he's done? Simple and clever.
Why thank you Pete :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,alternator mount , piccy added

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:13 pm

:P :P Yay! Pictures! Way to go, Noddy. Sort a red one, though. And get that adjuster painted while you're at it. See? Lots to do! :idea:

:wink: :wink:

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P.S. I'm just messing, mate. It looks grand and I bet it works great too. :wink:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Useless fact time

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:27 am

Just fitted the NOS engine lid rubbing rails ive bought .
For years mine only had two clips per rail and not the normal three as these were second hand and some clips were not savable , anyway , I now have the proper three per rail , all new and tight .
And the useless fact I never knew :!:

The outside rails are 5mm shorter than the middle three :o :lol: , must be to do with the curve on the engine lid .
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,alternator mount , piccy added

Post by sammy the sturgeon » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:24 pm

Noddy wrote:
imp.sport wrote:Please don't.
As a more constructive input did you consider a rubber mount at the engine side as well as the adjuster?
That was to be the next stage but fortunately not needed .
I would like to add that this idea is unlikely to be required on any alternator with the more normal three mounts and maybe not even on a Denso if id thought about the adjuster a bit more :roll: . I didnt want it bolted to a water pump stud which ive seen , but did want it to collapse for fan belt changes / adjustment
It has removed excess vibration though so its staying ,
By vibration I mean what you can feel when touching the alternator with the engine revving , NOT alternator movement :)

For those who think they this heres what i used

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-REAR-POL ... _820wt_952

Or a yellow one if you wish

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINI-REAR-POL ... 2156wt_952
They are really useful,
I had a mini with a Janspeed straight through on and when I was giving it some clog the originals(cheap copies) would come un-bonded when they got warm
they were also used for mounting the metro turbo fuel pump(though if you asked for them you would pay 4 times as much!)

I used to keep spares and think I still have some in the garage, but they came in useful for all sorts.

I even mounted a compressor on four of the unbonded ones once - reduced the vibration quite a bit
so it should all work on the alternator
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Useless fact time

Post by The Nun » Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:59 pm

Noddy wrote:
The outside rails are 5mm shorter than the middle three :o :lol: , must be to do with the curve on the engine lid .
But they all have the same part number 7200364, 5 off Rubbing rail engine lid, so they probably bent as they tighten down. I would have imagined if the were different initially they would be quoted as 1 set of 5, Bit more useless info for the anoraks. :?
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Post by 617sqn » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:08 pm

But they all have the same part number 7200364, 5 off Rubbing rail engine lid,
Phew ! :o I thought I'd fitted mine wrongly for a minute there ! I was a bit confused as I'd only ever had those of the same length, and therefore fitted them as they were. No one has ever queried it, so neither did I :lol:

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Useless fact time

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:22 pm

The Nun wrote:

But they all have the same part number 7200364, 5 off Rubbing rail engine lid, so they probably bent as they tighten down. I would have imagined if the were different initially they would be quoted as 1 set of 5, Bit more useless info for the anoraks. :?
Perhaps two of my new ones are duffo then ,never queried it when i fitted them as it sort of made sense in my mind :oops:
This was a complete NOS kit :?
Ah well it looks great so what the hell :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings Engine lid soundproofing thing busted

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:28 pm

The original framework that holds the soundproofing bag / sack thing has finally rotted through and given up .
I originally took it into work to weld it up but then thought why not make a newness one as this is rather rusty all over.
I came up with using some thick solid copper wire we have at work , I made up all the parts then brazed it all together and finally coated it with black lacquer designed for copper .I changed the design slightly to give the soundproofing more support

Heres the old frame and the old soundproofing sack

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And heres the new frame in with the newly recovered sack i did earlier in the year , i fitted an extra support at the top as the original had busted off years ago
No more rust , at least not on this bit :lol:

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Re: Noddys Natterings Engine lid soundproofing thing busted

Post by bazzateer » Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:33 pm

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Re: Noddys Natterings Engine lid soundproofing thing busted

Post by ImpManiac » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:02 pm

Good work, Noddy! :D Good idea using copper.

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Post by imp1973 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:23 pm

nice little touch. tick it off the list :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings , Heater is too hot !!!

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:00 pm

Having been out in the Vusky today I can confirm that due to my mods I listed in another post
The heater is too hot :shock:
Fan mod is brilliant but does transmit noise and vibration as well as heat , Ive a plan to solve this and will report back if successfull
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Re: Noddys Natterings , Heater is too hot !!!

Post by The Nun » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:43 pm

Noddy wrote:Having been out in the Vusky today I can confirm that due to my mods I listed in another post
The heater is too hot :shock:
Ive a plan to solve this and will report back if successfull
Air con kit? :)
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Re: Noddys Natterings , heater is now too hot !!!

Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:27 pm

Ah well, better situation than mine. The Clan has a Classic Mini heater and the matrix is now dripping water on my left leg...I have to roll up my trouser leg like a Free Mason!

I'm about to order a new matrix off ebay for about 46 quid. Pain 'cos the dash has to come out. :x I'd say it's long overdue mind, it's probably semi-blocked for both air and water after nearly 40 years.
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Re: Noddys Natterings , Heater is too hot !!!

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:49 pm

Noddy wrote: Fan mod is brilliant but does transmit noise and vibration as well as heat , Ive a plan to solve this and will report back if successfull
Fan mod fairly successful :D , ive rubber mounted the whole fan case and this has eliminated the droning noise , fan is slightly louder than the original but as the heaters so hot with it on il just use it for a defrost or when im frozen
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Re: Noddys Natterings , heater is now too hot !!!

Post by AlastairC » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:14 pm

Reading an old copy of octane with an article on heating and ventilation. Clayton classics have all sorts of heating options for classic cars. May be worth a look claytoncc.co.UK.
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Post by Meltdown » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:31 pm

To be fair, Noddy, this Autumn is unusually warm. You'll be laughing in a few weeks I'm sure and leaving the Beemer at home!
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Re: Noddys Natterings , Heater is too hot !!!

Post by Charlotte » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:06 pm

Noddy wrote:Having been out in the Vusky today I can confirm that due to my mods I listed in another post
The heater is too hot :shock:

A heater can never be too hot - imo! Nothing better than being toasty warm ahhhhhhhhhhhh :oops:
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:18 pm

Charlotte wrote:
A heater can never be too hot - imo! Nothing better than being toasty warm ahhhhhhhhhhhh :oops:
Warm is one thing , sweating is another :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings , heater is now too hot !!!

Post by bazzateer » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:48 am

Just close the valve a bit Dave......simples! :D
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:42 pm

bazzateer wrote:Just close the valve a bit Dave......simples! :D
This would work , its nice to know that i can get uber heat if I want to though
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Post by Meltdown » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:04 pm

Or shower when you get home :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings , heater is now too hot !!!

Post by celyn » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:42 pm

*Blink* *Rubs eyes* Did I really see the words 'Imp', 'heater', and 'too hot'? In the same sentence? :shock: :shock:

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