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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Three fuseboxes in and working , with pic

Post by james » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:06 pm

Looking good there.

As part of my course at University, we (briefly) looked at ways of terminating cables. IIRC, NASA use uninsulated crimps combined with clear heatshink (the fact that it's clear allows the termination to be inspected at a later date - important when you want utter reliability). Soldering the terminal after crimping it will reduce corrosion of the wire and crimp, as the connection becomes gas-tight. However, care must be taken to prevent the solder running up the wire beyond the strein relief offered by the heatshrink, as the strands might become fatigued where the wire flexes.

Soldering in it's own is perhaps less than ideal in a car - solder isn't very strong mechanically, and soldered terminals have been known to fail. Where the Earth wire in domestic equpient connects to the case, the terminations have to be crimped rather than soldered to avoid the possibility of a broken solder joint preventing the earth bonding from working.
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Three fuseboxes in and working , with pic

Post by chris d » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:33 pm

awsome work dave
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Three fuseboxes in and working , with pic

Post by impmann » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:42 am

Where the Earth wire in domestic equpient connects to the case, the terminations have to be crimped rather than soldered to avoid the possibility of a broken solder joint preventing the earth bonding from working
This is very true.

Solder has the potential to work harden and fail under vibration, hence spade connectors are usually crimped on automotive looms as they tend to be unsupported.
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Three fuseboxes in and working , with pic

Post by Meltdown » Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:28 pm

My crimping tool is an ancient pair of pliers where the cutter has a worn notch. Having used it for over 25 years and never had a failed connection, plus being cr*p at soldering, I'll resist the urge to change...just don't ask me for a professional looking job!
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:16 pm

Finished the Singers wiring today , A forth box was added covering the horn and heater fan , Lights would have been a fair upheaval to do individually as in a modern , so after a look at the wiring diagram me and prometheus Dave came up with removing the live feed for the lights from the ignition switch and running the lights from the permanent live on the fusebox in my picture , this works fine and although not ideal as if theres a problem the whole lot go out its a start , lights are covered by a 15A fuse .
We tested a few circuits by underfusing ,For example on the lights a 10 A will cover side and dip but blows when main beam is on , also deliberately shorted the clock circuit just to see if it did actually work which it did ( expensive clock so good :roll: )
Also added a cigarette lighter for sat nav etc .
None of the ignition circuit is fused in any way but everything else apart from the interior light is and this could easily be done at some point .
As well as all this Prometheus Daves car now has three fuseboxes as well , although its not finished properly yet the horn , fuel pump and some other stuff are now protected :)

I plan to redraw a wiring diagram to match the Singers exact specification for future reference .
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Prometheus » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:41 am

Thanks a lot mate, finally got something approaching a half decent wiring system and getting the electric washers installed and getting rid of those awful ill fitting things fitted on the scuttle panel is especially satisfying. Also it was really great to get a hands on appreciation of the dark art of vehicle wiring for the first time in my life, under Dave's expert tutelage of course. :D :D :D .

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:14 am

Prometheus wrote:Thanks a lot mate, finally got something approaching a half decent wiring system and getting the electric washers installed and getting rid of those awful ill fitting things fitted on the scuttle panel is especially satisfying. Also it was really great to get a hands on appreciation of the dark art of vehicle wiring for the first time in my life, under Dave's expert tutelage of course. :D :D :D .

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No problem , scotchlocks on the horn circuit was asking for trouble :shock: earth switching on the wipers foxed us for a while so we all still live and learn :lol: . We will continue the modification on yours soon ,
Im going to do the interior light fusing we discused yesterday so then everything will be covered except the ignition circuit which was the plan anyway :D

Il draw up the wiring diagram for you , give you a copy and you can do it yourself if you want :lol:

EDIT , Interior light now done
Fusing is finished on the Singer :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by bazzateer » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:26 am

Good work Dave, you have a PM.
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Prometheus » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:51 am

Noddy wrote:Fusing is finished on the Singer :D :D :D :D :D
Well...... you say that but the last thing we were discussing was to relocate the main feed for the switched live circuit and adding a relay to the ignition switch to switch the feed to the switched live fuse box, that way the main feed for the whole fuse box isn't passing through the ignition switch.

Then of course you could improve on the headlight circuit to fuse the lights independently.

Then there is the latest modification idea which we discussed last night :wink: .

Nothing that needs to be done but still a little more that could be done :D

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Prometheus » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:53 am

Just a thought...

You said that you have split out the interior light and fused that .........

Therefore presumably this has gone to the permanent live side ........

Therefore you have used the last terminal on that fuse box ..........

Where are you going to put the feed for the modification to come ???

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:09 am

Prometheus wrote:Just a thought...

You said that you have split out the interior light and fused that .........

Therefore presumably this has gone to the permanent live side ........

Therefore you have used the last terminal on that fuse box ..........

Where are you going to put the feed for the modification to come ???

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by 617sqn » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:45 pm

There is a plan
Which is obviously secret :lol:

Good work Lads, and well worth the effort, me thinks.

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:14 pm

Just to add extra peace of mind ive changed every bullet connector and the bullets themselves , My boss lent me the proper crimper for fitting the bullets to the cable , like the ones used on rear lights etc , it has 50 pence shaped jaws and is brilliant , bought a load of new brass ones and used most of them.
Its quite shocking the state some of these connections were in , Im surprised they still worked :roll:
Since doing this ive noticed the indicators flash slightly quicker , the headlights are brighter and the starters quicker as well , checked the alternator output today at work with an uber expensive digital meter , 14.45 Volts off load and 14.21 Volts with every thing that is possible to switch turned on , quite chuffed as i wound the alternator myself :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by kilty » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:48 pm

Noddy wrote: and the starters quicker as well
:o :o Jumpin Jesus! It must be startin before you get out the house in that case!
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by ImpManiac » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:26 pm

:P Great work, Noddy! I'm looking forward to seeing what you've done. :wink:

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by bazzateer » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:50 am

Hopefully the nearly 50 yr old wiring itself is still OK? :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Meltdown » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:55 am

bazzateer wrote:Hopefully the nearly 50 yr old wiring itself is still OK? :D
At least if it fries then things will just stop working instead of shorting to earth and torching the lot now :D
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Post by bazzateer » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:10 am

^^ Exactly! :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:26 pm

Wire condition is basically very good , A lot of the bullet connections looked dodgy before I changed them , fuel gauge wire was very brittle and was changed , probably due to a petrol leak from the sender at some point , Main permanant live for the lights etc is new , fuel pump and some of the ignition wire is also new as it all the alternator wiring , Ignition switch is also NOS .
Whatever happens now ive done my best :roll:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by ImpManiac » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:40 pm

Since you're only using most, if not all of the original loom for switching, you should be safe as can be, Noddy. :D

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Kinger » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:56 pm

Been over to Noddys tonight....that is a really nice wiring set up.,
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,All fused up

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:44 pm

Cheers Mike , thanks for popping over :)

Just fitted the self same heater fan mod that impmann used , blows a goodun and so much more efficient :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:36 am

Singers ready for the off , Ive a mate who does a window coating called DFI which is meant to mean rainwater doesnt stick to the screen at all , Got no mates rates etc coz he cant , anyway ive had the screen , door glass and exterior mirrors done as theres enough in the kit for all this which should last 18 months with a further two coatings at no extra cost .
Just poured a bucket of water on the screen and its still dry :shock: :shock: , should be good for North Wales weather then :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by 617sqn » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:52 pm

ABC That was then, This is Now. However you ignored my lyric addressed to you, young Noddy !

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:07 pm

617sqn wrote:ABC That was then, This is Now. However you ignored my lyric addressed to you, young Noddy !

Andy G.

Again :
Nod : Under your Thumb, Godley & Creme.

And : Shallow are the actions, of the children of men.
Sorry , :oops: , your right on ABC , fantastic track :)
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by kilty » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:40 pm

Noddy wrote: look me out
He`ll be the bloke with the driest Chamois! :wink:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by The Nun » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:47 pm

kiltyarse wrote:
Noddy wrote: look me out
He`ll be the bloke with the driest Chamois! :wink:
Next weeks theme tune "I can see clearly now the rain has gone" am I right?
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The Nun wrote:
kiltyarse wrote:
Noddy wrote: look me out
He`ll be the bloke with the driest Chamois! :wink:
Next weeks theme tune "I can see clearly now the rain has gone" am I right?
:lol: :lol: :lol: , Just changed it , quite difficult if you dont cheat
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by The Nun » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:53 pm

Noddy wrote:
The Nun wrote:
kiltyarse wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: , Just changed it , quite difficult if you dont cheat
No one would dare to cheat Im sure, Imp club members are as honest as the day is long, unless theres beer involved :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by Meltdown » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:18 pm

The Nun wrote: "I can see clearly now the rain has gone"
Or for the divorcees out there - I can see Vera now Lorraine has gone :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Screen coating

Post by 617sqn » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:11 pm

No one would dare to cheat Im sure, Imp club members are as honest as the day is long
Ooops ! :oops: :oops:

I'd better rescind my membership, I think. :roll:

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Wiring diagram

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:47 pm

Ive re-drawn the wiring diagram to include all the fuse boxes etc ive fitted in the Singer .
Im going to keep a copy in the car , if anyone wants to see it at national just come and ask :)
Not keen on posting it as
A, if someone does this rewire and they get it wrong il get the blame :roll:
B, Image would be too small anyway given the size limits on here
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Wiring diagram

Post by kilty » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:24 am

:oops: :oops: :oops: That is China Crisis-Christian unless I`m very wrong? How do I remember this! :shock: :o
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Back from Cymru

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:39 pm

Just got back from a great national , 614 miles of trouble free Imping in glorious Wales , what could be better, :D :D
Great to catch up with every one and sorry to those who I meant to say Hi to but just ran out of weekend. :roll: :oops:
Special thanks to Meltdown ( you know why :wink: )
Special sorry to Prometheus who I was meant to lend some oil to but didnt remember until Bluith Wells which is a tad late :oops:
Special thanks to all the organizers and to Malcolm Anderson for emptying my wallet with such speed :roll: :lol:
Big thanks to Mrs Noddy for putting up with it all

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Back from the national

Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:34 pm

Yep good to meet you at last. I'll be copying your perspex sun visor at some point...... :wink:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Back from Cymru

Post by Prometheus » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:19 pm

Noddy wrote:Special sorry to Prometheus who I was meant to lend some oil to but didnt remember until Bluith Wells which is a tad late :oops:
No need to apologise mate, I was the one who should have remembered. Pete crook sorted me enough to get above the lower level (thanks Pete) and I popped in to Maynard Engineering on the way home and picked up a can of VR1, along with a shiny new Denso alternator, a cup of coffee and a tour of the workshop. Nice way to round of a great National :D

See you at WWW :wink:

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Back from the national

Post by ImpJimbo » Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:12 am

Thank you to you Noddy for getting my Chamois to run so well. Cheers. :D
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,Back from the national

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:48 pm

ImpJimbo wrote:Thank you to you Noddy for getting my Chamois to run so well. Cheers. :D
No problem , glad me and font number 1 ( AKA Tim Morgan ) could help , hope its now running better than ever , your dizzy was certainly fubared :lol:
Just keep an eye on the plug colours , 11 flats out was a good starting point but the carbs are rarely exactly the same , more improvements may be got with some fine tuning on the carb mixtures and the timing , after all Me and Tim did just guess at the timing ( an educated guess mind ) :roll:
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Re: Noddys Natterings ,That garage

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:27 pm

Another shot of the Garage that Baz found , highlight of my piccy taking and a fascinating blast in the past , Garage last sold fuel 20 years ago and hasnt been touched since .The owner did come over once Baz started looking in the windows but seemed fine one we started talking .
So with thanks to Dilwyn the owner heres my best shots of it.
Note the Lodge plugs sign at the bottom

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Re: Noddys Natterings ,That Garage

Post by TomFox5150 » Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:31 pm

Thats awesome! where is that?
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