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Post by classiccapsule » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:21 pm

Personally, I'm a big fan of the curly blonde bob.... :D
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/\/\ :lol:
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classiccapsule wrote:Personally, I'm a big fan of the curly blonde bob.... :D
I thought Bob had dark hair? :lol:
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Re: Noddys Natterings , Andy Gs Window props

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:16 pm

With the acute lack of working rear window props about and Robins still being developed I persuaded Andy G ( 617sqn ) of this very parish to make me a set of the ones he developed and modified and has fitted on his car .
First off a big thanks to Andy for doing this for me , they arrived today so the only thing to do was fit them
Ive got to say the quality of his work was beyond what i was expecting , The build quality and finish was perfect , they came with instructions and primed up ready for spraying the colour of your choice , I went for body colour as early cars such as mine were done this way from factory
So on to the fitting , the design requires a spacer between the car body on the passengers side which Andy provided , he also supplied the longer screws needed with this spacer but these were metric ( stated as such in the instructions ) I didnt use these though and instead took the studs and nuts that hold the speedo in from an old binacle dash as these are the same thread and more than long enough .
Fitting was straight forward although i did need some washers under the spacer as it wasnt quite right , not Andys fault and again explained in the instructions ,
They work like a one way friction ratchet , that is there is zero friction on opening but friction is pressent on closing , this is what holds the window up , friction is adjustable via an allen key from zero to way too much , ive set mine so they hold the window up fine but arnt too tight , il play with this as and when to get the best setting.
Closing requires a shove although not too hard a one , you cant just drop the window as before because the friction prevents this although again with some fine adjusting this may be possible
All in all a great solution to an annoying problem
They look good as well which is a bonus
I believe Andy is thinking of selling these although im not sure how much for , I can say that they take a lot of work to make so if Andy is going to do these dont expect them for pennys
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How they look fitted and open

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PS Im NOT on commission or have any link with Andy other than the forum , not even sure weve actually met :lol:
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Post by kilty » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:36 pm

So is there an issue with a certain part necessitating the use of a spacer on the nearside one?
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:44 pm

kilty wrote:So is there an issue with a certain part necessitating the use of a spacer on the nearside one?
Only in the fact that the friction part isnt handed so the arm spacing is different on that side , doesnt look obtrusive and more importantly

THEY ACTUALLY WORK which is more than can be said for 99% of original ones :D
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Post by kilty » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:47 pm

My 1% are working well, na na na-na na! :P
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Post by HARTWELL MK1 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:13 pm

Found a BIG box with 20 pairs of working original ones, In a range of colours, but they are mostly silver so I'm ok for a long time

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Post by 617sqn » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:57 pm

Glad you're happy Dave.

I see the recent originals on eBay went for £48 plus postage :o And they'll more than likely fail sooner or later. I could make the adjustable friction stays en-mass if there was any sort of interest. Perhaps I'll sort a couple out and have them ready for potential customers 8)

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Post by kilty » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:17 pm

And they were rough! I`ve got 3 still in their sealed packets, must be worth a ton each then. :P I reckon you`d sell a few sets at national Andy.
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Post by lukesoanes » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:50 pm

617sqn wrote:Glad you're happy Dave.

I see the recent originals on eBay went for £48 plus postage :o And they'll more than likely fail sooner or later. I could make the adjustable friction stays en-mass if there was any sort of interest. Perhaps I'll sort a couple out and have them ready for potential customers 8)

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personally i think they look great and id be more than happy to buy a pair of these from you as it certainly beats using my head to keep the window open :D

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Post by colin rooney » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:34 pm

i would have a set to my little english leprechaun

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Post by long_gone_John » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:41 am

:( ... I never had a one fail on mine... and I used to get 'good' rear windows [with struts dangling] from local breakers.

I have definitely lived too long..... :mrgreen:

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Re: Noddys Natterings , Andy Gs rear window prop review

Post by impmann » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:27 am

Oh how they all laughed when I collected all the rear window stays from all the scrap Imps around South London and Kent all those years ago. Oh how they mocked my bloodied knuckles trying to rescue these elusive working stays... oh how they've stopped mocking now.... :roll: :lol:

Joking apart - I used to have a large Orange box (as in the fruit not the mobiles) full of rear hatch stays that over the years has been dipped into and now the orange box is very nearly empty. This looks like a very interesting solution to the problem - and lets be honest, most of the plastic sections of the window stays that are still working have a VERY finite life left in them (UV plus the plastic compound in these things = failure).

I have got a set of gas struts in the loft that I experimented with about 10 years ago, but I gave up with them, as I found the forces acting on the edge of the screen twisted the frame (when shut, the struts are still exerting pressure on the edge of the screen trying to re-open it). Its a nice idea, but probably needs some development work by someone with more skills than me or the guy I bought them off...
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Re: Noddys Natterings , Andy Gs rear window prop review

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:41 am

Gas isnt the way , as you say they spend 24 / 7 trying to force the window open , not good for the frames one bit .
Been out this morning fine tuning the friction part so that they are even .
Ive no issues with these new stays , they work and look good , not much more is needed in my book ,
I have noticed that some frames including mine are slightly twisted , I recon its the glass to frame seal just giving a bit , this means quite often when the window is opened it sits slightly skew , no problem for the window but ive found this causes only one stay to fully lock whilst the other doesnt quite make it , there is adjustment on the stay C post bracket but its never enough , at least with these friction stays this doesnt happen as they both catch at the same time irrespective of wether the stays are in exactly the same position when the window is open , mine certainly are not :D
If you look at the picture of the open window you can see its twisted a bit and not lined up and that the drivers side stay isnt quite as extended as the passenger one , shut though its perfect :?
This also means that when lifting to shut the window the one stay that caught lets go as it should but the one that didnt quite get there catches thus preventing the window to go down
What a pain :lol: :lol:

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Post by kilty » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:32 am

impmann wrote: (UV plus the plastic compound in these things = failure)
A reason on it`s own for tinted rear glass?!
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Post by long_gone_John » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:44 pm

GAS STRUTS... :idea:

Totally agree on every point/drawback... except that, given the correct length and having the strut - kind of/sorta like - shut to 'over centre' they are totally docile [until unleashed :twisted: ] and will Whoosh you into Orbit....... :lol:

I don't have a car to refine the jiggerypokkerie on.. but still fancy it :mrgreen:

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Post by 617sqn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:57 pm

There are some listed on one of the Aussie sites. I'll have a lookie and report back.

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Or could have been this guy : http://www.bodgy.com.au

I'll be making up a few sets in the next three or four weeks, so i'll let those who've expressed an interest know when they are done.
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Post by 617sqn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:25 pm

http://www.bodgy.com.au/public/images/p ... %20143.jpg

Found it !

Looks good, I have to admit.

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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:38 pm

They do look good Andy and probably work really well , il scrap yours and get these instead :lol: :wink:
Seriously though IMHO they look wrong on a 60s car , others can disagree if they wish :)
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Post by Grahame59 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:40 pm

I have fitted an 'export' stay on mine. For the uninitiated these have a locking switch to allow you to drive with the window open (without this switch/lock the window would slam shut and smash the glass if you went over a bump). Anyway, these export stays are very rare (I only have one rather than a pair but one is all you need TBH).

And my point? Well, I would suspect from the description that Andy's friction stays would also allow the car to be driven with the window open.
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Post by kilty » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:52 pm

It was one of these /\/\ that exploded on Daves!
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Post by 617sqn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:55 pm

Andy's friction stays would also allow the car to be driven with the window open.
I haven't tried, but I guess they could be locked in this position with judicial use of the appropriate Allen key in the adjustment orifice 8)

Perhaps Noddy will be up for experimentation ? There are reference marks on the adjustment sides, so a little mark with a permanent marker might provide reference points for returning the adjustment back to the "fine tuned" start point. :wink:

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Post by Grahame59 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:10 pm

Andy

I think it would be too much hassle to get the Allen key out every time you want to drive with the window open. Rather, I was hoping that from Dave's description (below) the normal friction may allow it to stay up without extra tightening?

''They work like a one way friction ratchet , that is there is zero friction on opening but friction is present on closing , this is what holds the window up...''

Anyway, great job for a much needed part, I'm sure you could sell loads!
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:52 pm

Grahame59 wrote:Andy

I think it would be too much hassle to get the Allen key out every time you want to drive with the window open. Rather, I was hoping that from Dave's description (below) the normal friction may allow it to stay up without extra tightening?

''They work like a one way friction ratchet , that is there is zero friction on opening but friction is present on closing , this is what holds the window up...''

Anyway, great job for a much needed part, I'm sure you could sell loads!
You could adjust the friction so the window would probably stay up whilst driving although ive not tried yet , the problem I can see is shutting it again , the extra friction might make this a tad harder to do
Il experiment though and report back , ive got a cosmic window prop so i use that if i need 60s air con :lol:
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Post by 617sqn » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:03 pm

the extra friction might make this a tad harder to do
I personally would only do it with the hex key handy i.e lock them up fully when open and release back to "fine tuned" to shut. I'd suggest that the added strain on the rest of the components would do more harm than good if you tried to shut the hatch with the stays locked up solid.

And I only suggested you experimented Dave, so I didn't have to :lol: :lol:

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Post by Grahame59 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:09 pm

617sqn wrote:
the extra friction might make this a tad harder to do
I personally would only do it with the hex key handy i.e lock them up fully when open and release back to "fine tuned" to shut. I'd suggest that the added strain on the rest of the components would do more harm than good if you tried to shut the hatch with the stays locked up solid.

And I only suggested you experimented Dave, so I didn't have to :lol: :lol:

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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:12 pm

617sqn wrote:
the extra friction might make this a tad harder to do
I personally would only do it with the hex key handy i.e lock them up fully when open and release back to "fine tuned" to shut. I'd suggest that the added strain on the rest of the components would do more harm than good if you tried to shut the hatch with the stays locked up solid.


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Post by long_gone_John » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:18 pm

:lol: ... all good stuff, eh?

Did I, or not, post about the B&Q option....

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Post by Meltdown » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:19 pm

Without knowing how the friction stays work, how about a quick release button to press before shutting, thus allowing the window to fall as per original?
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Post by 617sqn » Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:07 pm

How about a quick release button to press before shutting
Not possible with this type, I'm sorry to say. They have a friction ring integrated into the casing, and the adjustment is produced by screwing in the hex socket section against two opposing domed washers. The further in the screw, the more friction is applied. They would need to have something similar to the Quick release over-centre type of affair as used on racing cycles ( like the Campagnolo ones which go through the hub). Hmmm ......... I wonder ........... :roll:

Like these :

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=31896

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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:17 pm

617sqn wrote:Perhaps I'll sort a couple out and have them ready for potential customers 8)

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I'd be interested in some, if the price were right and if I opt still to have an opening rear window in my Chamois (which is likely, by the way). :mrgreen:

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Post by 617sqn » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:20 pm

I have current orders for three sets, Paul. PM on it's way.

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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun May 06, 2012 6:44 pm

Guess whos forgotten the Vuskys MOT , Due in about a week
Cue frantic checking :lol:
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Post by kilty » Sun May 06, 2012 8:26 pm

Could be worse mate. I drove about for nearly 7 weeks with no mot last year `cos I had lost the plot! :P
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Post by 617sqn » Mon May 07, 2012 9:46 am

Love the new avatar, Jock :D Fabulous ! I wonder if anyone has any fitted to their car still ........ :?

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Post by kilty » Mon May 07, 2012 11:34 am

Glad you like it. Can't take the credit for it however, that goes to a diamond geezer of this parish. :wink:
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Post by tzarrobin » Mon May 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Grahame,

AFAIK the export type stays are only fitted to one side, there is only one part number for them.

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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue May 08, 2012 6:01 pm

MOT booked for Saturday morning :roll: , Oh the joy of it all
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Post by chris d » Tue May 08, 2012 9:03 pm

vusky will pass with flying colours.
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