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Back in 1983 I aquired a limelight green stiletto shell UHK 74K for a school project. It got built back into a car, resprayed red and brother Jon ran it for a while and then I bought My maroon Chamois CNA476C. This I restored with new panels and a full repaint and then learnt to drive in it.

I set up the heathrow area centre and handed it over to the cashmores when I moved away to university. On my first trip back, a couple turned up in a MK1 imp in skye blue which they were trying to sell the number plate off it for £550. I paid them this for the car.

The car was registed new on July 3rd 1963 by Hartwells of Bournmouth, as 5948RU and is the oldest surviving hartwell imp. It came with, but not fited a fabricated manifold for a twin choke weber 24 32 ddc off a citreon ds 19 The car otherwise was basicaly standard apart from extra instruments and a wood rim steering wheel.

Bodily the car was poor but i decided to restore it.
So far its had new inner / outer sills (no drain holes on mk1's)
It needed new floors, so I made the floor pan tool
All 4 wings and front panel still need to be fitted along with rear window inner / outer frames and rear engine bulkhead.
And of cause all new bolt on panels, correctly back dated to mk1.

Edit April 2016 Daughter is now 9, and my son is 6, and the car is still not finished :oops:
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After a 8 hour respray prior to national in 1996
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new sills
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new rear window frame
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CNA476C in its current state
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the manifold you describe i'm sure was in Ray Paynes garage the last time I saw him. I think Tony Hatcher had the parts not totally sure , he might have more parts.Unfortunately Ray's car went for scrap i'm led to believe.


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Tony got them? :shock:

How? I thought he and Ray fell out many years ago... I thought Jim Cox had the parts and the car.
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Very interesting, Jeff. :) It's great to hear some of the history of these important cars. More, please! :wink:

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Well some work done on the fleet. The chamois has had a respray, and got a 2nd at the national and the hartwell car is on the jig, and has got a rear wing trial fitted. looking promising!, and I am investigating its history, whilst it was a demonstrator at Hartwells. Turns out it was loaned out a bit! for evaluation! ........More later
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Oh, you tease! :P Come on, Jeff! Spill the beans! :wink:

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My 1967 29000 mile Imp was a Hartwell Imp Sport demonstrator too Badged "Hartwell Super Sport on the back . I bought it in 1972 and have done nearly 300,000 miles in it . I got it from a local car sales showroom for £390 complete with brand new shiny 875 sport engine , it had the hartwell bored out sport inlet manifold and 1.5" strombergs and a front anti-roll bar , otherwise a fairly standard SPORT .I would guess the 998 had been removed before sale . The front anti-roll bar tore the floor so i removed it with no detremental effects at all !
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God knows how many miles my Hartwell Clubman demonstrator had done- certainly the 998 was VERY tired when I got it and sadly died not long after I got it. I'm sure it had a hard life being thrashed by prospective customers before Hartwells sold it. Sadly its more famous sister car (BRU 200L) no longer exists, and mine (FRU 257L) is pretty sad, needing the GDP of a small country to fix it.

Jeff's car does appear to have had a very interesting life from what I've heard. I can't wait to see it back in one piece again.
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Well a little update

Some panels are a little closer to being welded on the Hartwell imp, A perfect door has been located for the left hand side at this years national, and a new MK1 front panel and chassis leg have been found.

With regard to its early history, I have it on good authority that George Hartwell lent it to Des 'o' Dell for Speed Testing at MIRA, Making it the first imp used by the competition department!

And talking about early Works imp's, Brother Jon's Ex works imp 7742KV is in for a repaint, and refitting of some of the original works parts that has been in store. One part we need is an export Heater matrix, to fit into the front panel. Any one got one?
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My Imp finally got its wheels back on, Its handeling was a bit spongy, but we fixed that by eating it!

Just the front panel left! to consume and then it will be finished!
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On the real one, I have the rear shelf ready to fit, and also I have made up a new 'C' post (between rear wing and roof) to replace the rusty original, neither fitted yet!
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Oh Jeff :roll: That really takes the biscuit :wink: :lol:
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So you've had your cake and eaten it Jeff ........ :roll:
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Prometheus wrote:So you've had your cake and eaten it Jeff ........ :roll:
This jokes the icing on the cake really :roll: :lol:
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Well 18 months has gone by, some of you may be wondering whats happened to this car. Well I now have 2 kids, and even less time, but the family are of on holiday without me in november so I will be able to start the assembly of the shell big time.

To sumerise, the list of parts I have for the shell are:-

Low sidelight Front Panel
Low sidelight LH Front chassis leg
Low sidelight RH Front chassis leg
Front floor
Boot lid
Front Scuttle
LH low sidelight front wing
RH low sidelight front wing
LH Inner outer and heater sills*
RH Inner outer and heater sills*
LH floor*
RH floor*
LH Door (Perfect used )
RH Door
LH Rear Wing
RH Rear wing
RH C post*
Inner rear window surround
Outer rear window surround
Rear shelf
Rear roof trim
RH Engine bay inner wing
LH Engine bay inner wing
Rear body crossmember
Engine lid
* indicates Fenn Lane panel
All in this is 19 nos rootes panels, + 9 of my repair panel + numerous repair pieces for the inner arches. I have a new set, but the car is not bad enough to need these.

Loads of photos will be added soon as the assembly commeces
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Do you mean Naomi isn't staying at home to help ?
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tim sears wrote:Do you mean Naomi isn't staying at home to help ?
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Picture of national 1996 when it was last on the road with the now sold chateau mobile folded away
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But She will probably have first drive! :lol: at this rate of progress.

Seriously I hope to have on the road in 2010.
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Some more pics from the strip down, I forgot it looked so awful, why did i bother!
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As removed from the lockup in 2002
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Found this shim in the rear suspension
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Shell was lightly sandblasted
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Supplied by Hartwells sticker, anyone make me a new one!
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Jeff,

You could try these people, they offer to make up stickers of your own design.

http://www.iowgraphics.co.uk/#/decals-s ... 4532081457
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I was going to suggest the same!!

It'll be good to see this car finished one day 8)
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Just a thought, assuming the Hartwell company is still going (it is isn't it?) there may be copyright issues with copying the sticker?
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George Hartwell & Co doesn't exist any more. When George retired, the business was divided up between his sons (Simon was one, can't remember the other's name) and Team Hartwell disbanded when Ray Payne retired. Hartwell Ford and Hartwell Land Rover are nothing to do with the original company AFAIK, having come from Surrey area originally IIRC.

I would imagine that such an old sticker, being reproduced purely for the purpose of restoring a historically significant car (cos it is - I know Jeff's keeping quiet about that right now) wouldn't really be an issue.
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Is the Hartwell Peugeot dealership no longer in the Bournemeouth area then? I assumed being Peugeot it was the latest incarnation of the company. But, as you say, as it's of historical value there shouldn't be a problem.
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Hartwell's pug dealer has been bought out, so no issue of copywright, as I am replacing an existing sticker, for my car, and to anyone else that has a genuine hartwell car,

IOW graphics cannot help, any other ideas?
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Just thinking out loud here Jeff but if you can get a high quality digital colour image of the one you have perhaps someone with exceptional photoshop type skills would be able to fill in the missing bits resulting (hopefully) in a 'new' sticker, albeit only in digital form. Then it should be possible to print it out onto 'sticker' paper. I think it would then need a coating of 'fixer' to ensure the ink does not fade/rub off.
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Already made that offer as I have already discovered the fonts used on rootes cars, more or less, and made up an electronic template for the chassis data plates that are on early cars - but haven't yet had any made up.

However, a digital scan of the hartwells logo would be required first, as that is not complete on the photo. The rest would be a piece of cake. Anyone got a hartwells logo that could be scanned?

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I *might* have that logo... no promises. And it would be a scan from an old magazine, so would need some TLC in photoshop to make crisp, I would imagine. I'll have a look when I get home.
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Anything as a starting point would be good..... we have the technology.....we can rebuild him/it.

Good thing is there weren't many fonts used in the 60s, and it didn't take long to match the data plate fonts, and they are the same as the ones on this sticker. Getting the right font is the major problem.
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Pop round your local art school, there will be many talented `utes` that can sort you out with the artwork for the price of a kebab!!
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Just dropping the family off at the airport, Now where did I put the new rear engine bulkhead panel, I feel some welding coming on!
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HARTWELL MK1 wrote:Just dropping the family off at the airport, Now where did I put the new rear engine bulkhead panel, I feel some welding coming on!
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Well after 7 years of moving it around, I have cleaned the surface rust of the back of the car, ground out the rear shelf and inner wings and cleaned up the new panels and started the reassembly of the shell

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All GONE !!! :shock:

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cleaned up second hand shelf backdated to 63 mk1

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NOS 1963 LH inner wing being spotwelded in. This is a very early panel, When i cleaned the primer off, is had been heated up to form it, and had some hand working on it. Prototype part maybe?

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NOS 1963 RH inner wing being fitted, note the light cutouts, to suit self tapping screws. another drawing office cockup!

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Trial fitting of new old stock rear wings and inner window frame

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How I left it this evening, The back end all clamped in place with NOS rear window frame, and new C post, engine lid and crossmember. Looking like it all fits :lol: 8)
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Amazing. Keep us posted on progress. 8)
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Cracking bit of work well done Jeff
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Top work as always :)
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Well packing up for the day! welded in the rh inner wing, and the inner rear window frame. Also fitted captive nuts for the rear seat belts. Spent the rest of the evening juggling panels to get the panel gaps spot on. Even with a jig and factory panels, Its not easy.

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Tomorow I will use a linwood adjusting tool, and then it will all fit, either that or it will become a scrappage scheme victim!!! :lol: Seriously A lot of tweaking went on at the factory to make stuff fit, and if it didn't fit, It got sold as spare parts, which got returned to dealers when they didn't fit. Oh um, seams that is where my lh rear wing came from!

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Really nice to see you have found time to do a bit for yourself jeff i don,t seem to find a minute to even look at mine since starting my business . Still think your mad as said in your old premises in 03 but good on you hope all,s well with family and business
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Hit the prototype inner wing with a big hamer!!! :lol:

Everthing now fits, and have the new rear wings on.

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Decided not to put complete inner arches on, but made small repair pieces for the arch edge, mainly so the spot welder would work.

Rear wings are now on both sides.

Just need to fit the mk1 engine lid hinges to the window frame and fit this.

Next job Front End!
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Hey Jeff,great work.Just a possibly impertinent question,would there be any chance of maybe a wee booklet or series of photos and tips of restoring a shell from this kind of level?
A lot of guys would have cars that have been bodged,sometimes badly,in the past and it could be a really useful guide to see how the panels are put together and how to fit them.
I appreciate that you're running a business and have to keep the cash flowing,but I'd buy a bodywork guide and I'm sure plenty of others would too.

Just a thought......

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With this panel in the back end is done, bar little things like a battery tray and engine lid hinges. Need to repair and strengthen the original mk1 ones, One of which is in two pieces, having rusted away!

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