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Post by GURNSIMPS » Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:37 am

Well done Baz. :wink:
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:04 am

Top work there Baz , you are the man :D
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Post by bazzateer » Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:06 am

Best bits were getting the engine to mate with the box at first attempt (on my own) and the engine firing first time (once I'd remembered to connect the leccy ign! :oops: ).
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Post by thowman » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:17 am

bazzateer wrote:Best bits were getting the engine to mate with the box at first attempt (on my own) and the engine firing first time (once I'd remembered to connect the leccy ign! :oops: ).
And of course not forgetting to disconnect the clutch hose when removing the old engine! :lol:
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Post by bazzateer » Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:18 am

thowman wrote:And of course not forgetting to disconnect the clutch hose when removing the old engine! :lol:
One of the first things I did! :lol:
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Post by james » Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:39 pm

bazzateer wrote:Best bits were getting the engine to mate with the box at first attempt (on my own) and the engine firing first time (once I'd remembered to connect the leccy ign! :oops: ).
Always nice when those two things happen. :D Glad it's running, and I hope it continues to work well.
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Post by Dom » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:34 pm

Glad you got it going again bazz!

your going to have to have a long hard think about what your going to do next to the car :wink: :wink:
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Post by kilty » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:17 pm

A super-glue moment?
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Post by bazzateer » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:22 am

More of a "My Brain hurts!" moment! :lol:
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Post by bazzateer » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:20 am

No pics but I've replaced some of my Heath Robinson butchered standard hoses for some Heath Robinson butchered silicone ones from Cliveyboy. So hopefully I can drive without worrying about a repeat of the hose fiasco after Going Dutch.

Hopefully taking LNK to the Chiltern Area meet on Thursday as a short test and then Gaydon on Saturday.
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Post by Richard Claydon » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:08 pm

Good to hear Baz and about time we saw LNK again. If the Clan passes tomorrow I'll be bringing it out to play too!!

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Post by ganderson888 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:31 pm

Actuarius Impetus wrote:Good to hear Baz and about time we saw LNK again. If the Clan passes tomorrow I'll be bringing it out to play too!!

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Post by bazzateer » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:09 am

Too much detail Graham, too much detail! :o
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Post by ganderson888 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:04 am

bazzateer wrote:Too much detail Graham, too much detail! :o
Don't panic Baz, I'm referring to this one Imp001 :lol:
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Re: BAZZA'S IMP'S (LNK & LYH) - GIMME A BRAKE!

Post by bazzateer » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:32 pm

OK, so it's MoT Test time at the end of the month so last week I gave LNK a quick check over (adjust brakes, grease kingpins etc) and renew the gaffer tape that came off at Gaydon. Anyway, while doing the kingpins I noticed a small hole in the wheelarch just ahead of the sill area. Gave it a poke with the trusty old screwdriver and the hole got bigger. Checked the other side and it's much the same. So, hopefully this weekend he'll get some more band-aids (welding, not gaffer tape) to keep him on the road until I retire and can afford to get him properly sorted.

Yesterday was Chiltern Area Centre night so during the day I took him to the petrol station to fill up. One the way I noticed the brakes were dragging. Back home I removed the off side drum and noticed the bottom spring had come adrift and the shoe was out of alignment. Put it all back together but having noticed one shoe was near the rivets made a mental note to fit some of the spare shoes from the lockup.

So, today I got the box of shoes from the lockup and started to strip down the off side. Put new pair of shoes on and just could not get the drum back on. The adjuster was backed off as far at it could go, handbrake was off, the shoes were seated properly. There's a barely discernible ridge on the drum but not enough to cause an issue (IMHO). I tried various combinations of shoes but eventually had to put the old ones back on.

Any suggestions?
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Post by The Nun » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:33 pm

If you mean the rear brakes? have you checked the slave cylinder is free to slide on the backplate? because if it doesnt you wont get the new shoes on??
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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:39 pm

Are the "location pads" worn on the back plate?

I *could be" that the inner edge of the new shoes has fell into a wear ridge on the backplate which will tip the shoe backwards/inwards and so the outer edge of the friction material presents a bigger diameter for the drum to clear?

Also the hand brake lever may need adjusting off to allow the shoes to re-seat?

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Post by bazzateer » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:57 pm

The Nun wrote:If you mean the rear brakes? have you checked the slave cylinder is free to slide on the backplate? because if it doesnt you wont get the new shoes on??
Yes it is the rears and the cylinder is free to move.
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Post by bazzateer » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:00 pm

Lotus-e-Clan wrote: Are the "location pads" worn on the back plate?
Could be I suppose, how 'big' should they be?
Lotus-e-Clan wrote:I *could be" that the inner edge of the new shoes has fell into a wear ridge on the backplate which will tip the shoe backwards/inwards and so the outer edge of the friction material presents a bigger diameter for the drum to clear?
Makes sense, I'll check it next opportunity.
Lotus-e-Clan wrote:Also the hand brake lever may need adjusting off to allow the shoes to re-seat?
Handbrake cable loose at the backplate and the lever is free to move.
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Post by ganderson888 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:33 pm

Baz,
Does the drum go over the shoes at all but is not lining up with the wheel studs?
In which case the shoes are sitting either too high or too low on the adjuster and wheel cylinder.
This can be seen when checking their position in relation to the outer rim of the back plate.

If the drum won't go over the shoes at all, check the shoes against the old ones to see that they're the same size, and make sure they are both sitting correctly in the vertical slots on the adjuster.

Hope that helps but I guess you won't find out until it stops raining! :roll:

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Post by bazzateer » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:26 pm

ganderson888 wrote:Baz,
Does the drum go over the shoes at all but is not lining up with the wheel studs?Won't go over but does line up with the studs
In which case the shoes are sitting either too high or too low on the adjuster and wheel cylinder.
This can be seen when checking their position in relation to the outer rim of the back plate.

If the drum won't go over the shoes at all, check the shoes against the old ones to see that they're the same size, and make sure they are both sitting correctly in the vertical slots on the adjuster.Right size and sitting correctly in the adjuster
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Post by ganderson888 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:37 pm

That's quite strange, Baz as I can't think what else it could be.

Hopefully a font will be along soon... :wink:

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Post by bazzateer » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:40 pm

Peter Knibbs' backplate wear seems to fit the bill. If it's dry tomorrow I'll have another look.
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:20 pm

Seized wheel cylinder :idea: , if the piston is seized out then the adjuster will do nout
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Post by bazzateer » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:51 pm

Noddy wrote:Seized wheel cylinder :idea: , if the piston is seized out then the adjuster will do nout
I'd like to think I would have noticed if it was but you never know! Another thing to check! :)
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:51 am

bazz i know it may be a long shot but have you got 1 front shoe and 1 rear shoe on each side ,also if you need back plates give me a ring i have some u can have

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Post by Peter Hurst » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:39 am

Noddy wrote:Seized wheel cylinder :idea: , if the piston is seized out then the adjuster will do nout
You need to check that the piston in the slave cylinder is retracted right in ie could be seized OR as I found on my Clan the hand brake cables were adjusted too tight and the lever that slots through the shoe was not letting the spring pull the shoes together at the bottom. Brakes worked as cylinder came all the way out to meet the shoe and had never really noticed this and wasn't until i had to change the cylinder that problem came to light. The piston should be in the slave cylinder and not project past the slot that the body of the cylinder as mine was.
Should be obvious visually if hand brake holding shoe out when handrake off or see if any tension in cable. I took pin connecting cable to lever out and brake shoes sprung back. Had to lengthen cables by over half and inch!
Thats why you must always adjust handbrake cables with rear adjusters locking up brakes and unless cable stretches which i've never found the handbrake should never need adjusting.
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Post by The Nun » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:46 am

Cant be much as everything is so simple, ahh the good old days, at least you wont have a memory to reset, except your own. :lol:
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Post by thowman » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:42 am

Don't forget someone just up the a41 (hemel)who keeps stocks of all these parts, if he can find them. :D

I would check the wheel cylinder? Is it the same in both sides, or is it just one side you cannot get the drum on?

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Post by bazzateer » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:24 am

colin rooney wrote:bazz i know it may be a long shot but have you got 1 front shoe and 1 rear shoe on each side ,also if you need back plates give me a ring i have some u can have

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Post by bazzateer » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:28 am

Peter Hurst wrote:You need to check that the piston in the slave cylinder is retracted right in ie could be seized OR as I found on my Clan the hand brake cables were adjusted too tight and the lever that slots through the shoe was not letting the spring pull the shoes together at the bottom. The piston should be in the slave cylinder and not project past the slot that the body of the cylinder as mine was.
Should be obvious visually if hand brake holding shoe out when handrake off or see if any tension in cable. I took pin connecting cable to lever out and brake shoes sprung back. Had to lengthen cables by over half and inch!
Thats why you must always adjust handbrake cables with rear adjusters locking up brakes and unless cable stretches which i've never found the handbrake should never need adjusting.
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No tension on the handbrake cables and the lever is free to move back and forth. But I'll check the cylinder as suggested.

Here's a thought, the original problem was a dragging brake caused by the bottom spring coming off (new ones on order). Is it possible that the next application of the brakes over-extended the piston and it's now stuck 'out'?
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Post by thowman » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:33 am

If the piston has in any way been pushed out, there would usually be signs of fluid loss.
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Post by bazzateer » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:35 am

No sign of fluid loss but maybe it came out 'so far' and got caught on a wear ridge in the cylinder? Just speculating until the weather clears up enough for me to have a look.
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Post by bazzateer » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:04 pm

Not had a chance to look at the brakes yet but on Saturday Andy (Thowman) waved the welding wand at the holes I'd found. Driver's side was pretty straight forward:

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But when he took the wire brush to the passenger side this was revealed!

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Post by Richard Claydon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:14 pm

Ouch!! Glad now my welding torch was broken!! :o
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Post by thowman » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:59 pm

Actuarius Impetus wrote:Ouch!! Glad now my welding torch was broken!! :o
And there was me thinking it would be a quick job on a cold day. Patching patches is always fun. No wonder it was a bit chilly on the the passenger side of LNK. Not anymore!
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Post by Richard Claydon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:11 pm

And trying to weld to kitkat wrappers ain't easy either!!!
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Post by bazzateer » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:47 pm

That section below the hinge was surprisingly solid-ish!
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