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A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:38 am

This is todays news, a chap I know named Bill has just phoned to tell me that he has purchased the blue Imp from Terence Tracey.
I was told that the body is very solid and it has the sport motor upgrade.
More on the car when and as the news comes in.

The picture shows Geoff Biermann with the same car and in tthe Pretoria area ( i think)

Bill requires information for his Imp, which I can give him freely, have asked will he join the The Imp Club? Imp027
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:24 pm

Bill has sent me some pictures of the car.

He also asks does anyone have an original Imp front badge for him, thats the one that fitted the early cars.

Please PM me if you have and I can pass on messages etc.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by scrooge-ftp » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:45 pm

I miss my car already.

But the good news is that I am hammer and tongs getting the JoLon Imp rebuilt after its arduous journey. When it is back on the road I hope to lead a fleet of Imp in and around Cape Town so watch this space.

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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:26 pm

Bill was here this morning.

His car is nearly rust free and a real gem.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:32 pm

It took me some while before I spotted that Bills Imp has the wrong tail lights, no chrome bases and I think they are ex Landrover?
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

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Didn't you say a while ago that SA imps built locally had different lights at the rear anyway?
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Post by African Imp » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:12 pm

The Nun wrote:Didn't you say a while ago that SA imps built locally had different lights at the rear anyway?
Good memory pal!

Yes, they were and named Lectrolite.

The new blue Imp find will have had these rear lights, which faded or broke as the UV sunlight got into the plastic.
They were no ways as well made as the Lucas lights that the Imp started with.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:30 am

I have asked Bill to look for evidence of the four fixing holes that the pneumatic throttle foot pump had, they will be spaced 2.5" apart in width and 4 7/8" high.
I did have a quick look but saw no holes?

Evidence of such a pump will take the cars date closer to 1963? when did the foot pump get replaced by the wire throttle cable?

The foot pump I have is dated 2nd Dec, no year, plus the letters RD,

This pump came from Brian in New Zealand, it works well too! :D
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Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:54 am

Myself and Bill, plus his Imp.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:49 am

My thanks to Richard of the ARCC and taking the time to search out the records on Bills Hillman Imp.

B 411 5 05857 = manufacture date 26/06/1964 This is a CKD assembled chassis No,

Bill has checked the floor pan for mount holes on the throttle foot pump, he found none.

The lack of a choke at the base of the gear shift means that this car never had one?

Possibly and being an auto choke Solex car that is why?

Bill will now install the factory option choke.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by briang » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:32 am

The Nun wrote:
Didn't you say a while ago that SA imps built locally had different lights at the rear anyway?

Also , my Imps have indicators at the top and rear lights at the bottom, :?
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by The Nun » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:51 am

briang wrote:The Nun wrote:
Didn't you say a while ago that SA imps built locally had different lights at the rear anyway?

Also , my Imps have indicators at the top and rear lights at the bottom, :?
Yes that's correct indicators at the top that's how they were if they were built in the UK I don't know if the locally or ckd assembled cars abroad they did it differently or whether the owners swopped them over in the thinking the brake lights high up might be noticed from further back similar to how we have high level ones now for that very purpose??
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:29 pm

News in from the ARCC

And the manual choke carb was fitted from Ch No's (see note 8) which according to factory build records was 20/11/1964.

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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:31 pm

That T shape knob looks familier?

The choke would require a solid wire, not the flexible wire on the bonnet release?
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Post by African Imp » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:22 am

It is a long time since I have seen a round rubber cover on an Imps gear shift lever, what was the idea of the raised molded strips, was that a design change to come?
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Post by African Imp » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:27 am

Re the gear shift rubber boot, we see intended changes marked out in a similar fashion in the later boot and for the floor mounted choke and optional gear lock.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:03 am

Bill told me that there is talk of another person in the Cape Town area wanting a Hillman Imp?
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:41 am

John Ross wrote:
African Imp wrote:It is a long time since I have seen a round rubber cover on an Imps gear shift lever, what was the idea of the raised molded strips, was that a design change to come?
Absolutely no idea Roy

I am suspicious that the boot is not original. When this car is stripped I am pretty sure it will likely be full of surprieses, hopefully just not big horrible ones like George :-D

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Parts book, page Plate D - Section F and part number 135 is the same round item?

Bills car is missing that lower dust cover, part number 137 ?

His gear shift assembly will not last long without one of those.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:53 am

One more Imp in the Western Cape makes it four down here now?

One of the four is parked in a garage under Erics house and just a short walk down this road, then left, down the hill say two hundred yards?

His is white and a 1967 car Imp011

The other one is miles away and in Swellendam, its Robs 1971 Imp Deluxe but we turned that one into a Super super deluxe :D Imp003
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African Imp wrote:
John Ross wrote:
African Imp wrote:It is a long time since I have seen a round rubber cover on an Imps gear shift lever, what was the idea of the raised molded strips, was that a design change to come?
Absolutely no idea Roy

I am suspicious that the boot is not original. When this car is stripped I am pretty sure it will likely be full of surprieses, hopefully just not big horrible ones like George :-D

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Parts book, page Plate D - Section F and part number 135 is the same round item?

Bills car is missing that lower dust cover, part number 137 ?

His gear shift assembly will not last long without one of those.
The raised strips are where you need to notch it out for the accessory gear lever lock to fit, the round gaiters were fitted to IMPs before they had the floor mounted choke control lever, ie early cars only.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:48 am

I did wonder if that was the case?

Question, As the later gear shift has the lock fitted to the drivers side, does this mean there were two locks, or can the same lock be fitted at the front?
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Post by The Nun » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:26 am

It could go in another position possibly but then it won't be locking it in reverse but maybe one of the forward gears instead?? Not as effective as reverse but it would still hinder progress a little even so?
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Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:58 am

The Nun wrote:It could go in another position possibly but then it won't be locking it in reverse but maybe one of the forward gears instead?? Not as effective as reverse but it would still hinder progress a little even so?
Here it is on the later Imp, the picture was posted on the Imp Club forum :)
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Post by The Nun » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:59 pm

Yes I did have one on my old Sport, its quite a good anti theft deterrent.
Later cars of course had a built in steering column lock too, our older versions have nothing much as standard to stop anything :?
A removable steering wheel today might be just as good?
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Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:57 am

The Nun wrote:Yes I did have one on my old Sport, its quite a good anti theft deterrent.
Later cars of course had a built in steering column lock too, our older versions have nothing much as standard to stop anything :?
A removable steering wheel today might be just as good?
Can they be fitted with the gear shift in place or do you have to remove the assembly?

Who has one for me I wonder?
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African Imp wrote:
The Nun wrote:Yes I did have one on my old Sport, its quite a good anti theft deterrent.
Later cars of course had a built in steering column lock too, our older versions have nothing much as standard to stop anything :?
A removable steering wheel today might be just as good?
Can they be fitted with the gear shift in place or do you have to remove the assembly?

Who has one for me I wonder?
No it has to be removed and do the assembly on the bench to fit the lock
I have the fitting instructions here
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The Nun wrote:
African Imp wrote:
The Nun wrote:Yes I did have one on my old Sport, its quite a good anti theft deterrent.
Later cars of course had a built in steering column lock too, our older versions have nothing much as standard to stop anything :?
A removable steering wheel today might be just as good?
Can they be fitted with the gear shift in place or do you have to remove the assembly?

Who has one for me I wonder?
No it has to be removed and do the assembly on the bench to fit the lock
I have the fitting instructions here
Please post the instructions on here please Imp027
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Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:38 pm

Bill tells me he has fitted a T handle choke under the rear seat as was once standard and it works fine, pictures of it when I have them?
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Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:59 am

Bill has an issue with how the rear window closes, he wanted to know if his hinge was correct?

I sent him a picture of how the hinge should look, on a frame I have as a spare, in fact I have more than the one, the lower corners are rotted out though.

I think It is the main rubber seal too the body he has is too large?

There is a brand new Rootes 77211386 seal to the window in stock here.
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Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:06 am

Can anyone advise me what a new Rootes/Chrysler rear seal sells for now?

This one was sent to me by Bob of the Imp Club Spares department some years back.
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Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:03 am

Bills rear window stays have been played with, they are now friction stays and in fact stop the rear window from closing correctly.

I have an idea to make a small repair kit up for him, I need the correct drawing of the insides of the stay first?
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Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:09 am

I also have asked Bill to return my original Imps front badge.

He was going to try and cast a copy?

My son in law has a CNC machine and we can pop any number of them out in suitable Perspex instead?
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Post by African Imp » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:33 pm

Bill has fitted the 1964 period style choke cable, he has twin Strombergs and says the idea works fine.
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The Nun wrote:
African Imp wrote:
The Nun wrote:Yes I did have one on my old Sport, its quite a good anti theft deterrent.
Later cars of course had a built in steering column lock too, our older versions have nothing much as standard to stop anything :?
A removable steering wheel today might be just as good?
Can they be fitted with the gear shift in place or do you have to remove the assembly?

Who has one for me I wonder?
No it has to be removed and do the assembly on the bench to fit the lock
I have the fitting instructions here
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

Post by African Imp » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:18 pm

Hi Roy

You asked for some photos of the choke conversion, please see the attached. Works very well.

After I stripped the back seat out to do the job, you can see the condition of the body work under the seat.
Well I decided while it was out, I should make a start on making the car a bit more presentable, so I brushed off the surface rust,
the metal underneath was slightly pitted but no weak spots, only needed to have some rust converter put on and then repainted,
you can see the result. The blue looks bright in the photo, but it is a very good match to the car.
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Re: A new Imp in Cape Town

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African Imp wrote:Hi Roy

You asked for some photos of the choke conversion, please see the attached. Works very well.

After I stripped the back seat out to do the job, you can see the condition of the body work under the seat.
Well I decided while it was out, I should make a start on making the car a bit more presentable, so I brushed off the surface rust,
the metal underneath was slightly pitted but no weak spots, only needed to have some rust converter put on and then repainted,
you can see the result. The blue looks bright in the photo, but it is a very good match to the car.
Out of interest what does the label/plate in the middle on the bulkhead behind the seat say/for?
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