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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:33 pm

Good progress today, got the floor trimmed and the captive nuts welded on
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:19 pm

Floor now fully welded in and sill prepped for fitting.
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by The Nun » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:30 pm

Looks like its a nice fit? Pity the other Club panels supply is a bit hit and miss, im sure they could sell loads if they had them to sell?
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:16 pm

Yes very nice fit.

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by ChrisBenoy » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:04 am

I can see why the floor panels are popular, we are just in the early stages of organising another press run of floors, we are getting low again on floor stock which means we have sold nearly 45 pairs now. We were expecting these to be a slow seller and take several years to sell the first batch. Fortunately the floors are relatively easy as they only require us to take a day off work and spend a morning pressing them and they are done, we also hold and transport the tooling for this ourselves. The rear wings sadly take a lot more effort and involve organising multiple other people to move the tooling, work with the pressing and then the finishing , we are also looking to address some of the quality complaints from the first batch to gradually improve them moving forwards so we should be able to improve the quality slightly as we go.

Last time we wanted to do some pressing Bentley had block booked the press for a significant length of time, that shouldn't be the case now so we should be able to get organised now. I'm currently writing a piece to go in for Impressions inviting more members of the club to get involved with making panels and join a group designed to look into future creation of further Imp body parts so if anyone is interested in this please let me know.

Apologies for the thread Hijack Scott, the work you are doing is exceptional and is a great advert for the club panels, it is satisfying to see people using them to such great effect. :D
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:25 pm

Good news there Chris.

If I can suggest a small improvement, the flange on the floor edge where it joins the sill was a little short.
All it requires is to position the steel a 1/4 inch further over before pressing, more than enough on the tunnel side to allow for that.

I'd be happy to be help just a little far away but happy to provide input.

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:28 pm

Sill on today
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by The Nun » Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:33 am

Did you manage to find some genuine factory sills? Or did you have to use repro? I was told the repros even the factory style arent quite to the exact same profile as the factory ones curve slightly, did you have to adjust them to fit at all if you used the repro,?
Just wondered what you opinion of them were as youre doing a full job?

Having fitted factory sills myself, even those, in fact all the original panels need a certain amount of fiddling and adjusting to fit perfectly, they dont just plonk on, and Ive seen a few just plonked on too, a lot of the repro panels I found do disappoint though, they arent quite right, they will do the repair, better then having dents and holes of course but they never seem to look quite right, maybe its because they are fitted without the time needed for them to work, rushed, costs.

Ok once you have the material they can be "made" to fit extremely well of course but it takes hours and lots of effort as Tiker shows on his to get it spot on and as Ive found too, in fact Ive chucked the repros and gone off and found some originals even though they cost a small fortune these days.
The club panels do look good although Ive not actually seen some fitted at close scrutiny next to an original fitted?
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:04 am

The Nun wrote:Did you manage to find some genuine factory sills? No

Or did you have to use repro? Yes Expressed Steel

I was told the repros even the factory style arent quite to the exact same profile as the factory ones curve slightly, did you have to adjust them to fit at all if you used the repro,? Very good copy, possibly more radiused folds but no reworking apart from the drain slots I'd give them 100% for effort
Even factory pressed ones by now would be similar if using the original moulds - if you look at early and late original mini rear panels the swage line below the rear window is sharp on the early cars by the end its a vague ripple.

Just wondered what you opinion of them were as youre doing a full job?

Having fitted factory sills myself, even those, in fact all the original panels need a certain amount of fiddling and adjusting to fit perfectly, they dont just plonk on, and Ive seen a few just plonked on too, a lot of the repro panels I found do disappoint though, they arent quite right, they will do the repair, better then having dents and holes of course but they never seem to look quite right, maybe its because they are fitted without the time needed for them to work, rushed, costs.

Ok once you have the material they can be "made" to fit extremely well of course but it takes hours and lots of effort as Tiker shows on his to get it spot on and as Ive found too, in fact Ive chucked the repros and gone off and found some originals even though they cost a small fortune these days.
The club panels do look good although Ive not actually seen some fitted at close scrutiny next to an original fitted?
There is a lot of work and effort needed to get it spot on but it can be done, as the supply of OE panels dries up there will be no choice but to use repo. As its unlikely commercial enterprises will find enough volume to justify making them, hopefully the club will step in and get the quality right.

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by The Nun » Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:20 am

Ah well ive never had a look at Expressed panels, their lead time on panels was longer than the clubs, they were harder to get hold of than originals :lol:
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:16 pm

Sill end and crossmember end done
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Front wing fitting nicely now but have inner to fabricate before final fit.
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by GURNSIMPS » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:28 pm

Fabulous job Scott,worth coming back over from Facebook for a look. :D
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by oli » Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:54 am

Would be nice to see the finished masterpiece back to it's original Wardance colour...
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:48 pm

oli wrote:Would be nice to see the finished masterpiece back to it's original Wardance colour...
Not a chance :D I didn't bare metal it inside and out last time to return it to that colour.

Karen choose that colour, well its her second choice the first was a metallic flip. Piaggio Vespa Blue no. 1

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:00 pm

Front inner arch - delayed as the right angled section not turned up yet.
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Repair around light - inner fine the rust started from chips while refitting rear transam.
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:02 pm

Front inner done
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Rear inner done - lip replaced
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Tomorrow will see it mounted on the spit to access the underneath.

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by Duk » Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:17 pm

Is that the best place to join a replacement rear wing then Scott? I'm looking at fitting some to mine and has previously had wings stuck over already at some point. The swage is a bit iffy as it is :roll:
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:19 pm

Duk wrote:Is that the best place to join a replacement rear wing then Scott? I'm looking at fitting some to mine and has previously had wings stuck over already at some point. The swage is a bit iffy as it is :roll:
If that's the case I'd look at welding it on the upper side of the swage a bit more awkward but equally valid.

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by Duk » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:26 pm

Thought that might be the case!! Cheers :D
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:49 pm

Removing the underseal - has to be the most boring of jobs even my back has cried enough :roll:
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by The Nun » Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:46 am

How did you get it off in the end? I found laborious chipping it off with a blunt flat chisel the best and less messy way then cleaning the residue off with white spirits, some bits come off in good chunks and other areas its well stuck on, tried heating it up and that makes a heck of a mess, and when you sweep it all up a the end theres quite a surprising amount of weight to it too.
I had to do it lying down under the car on axle stands though, no roll over jig, and thats hard on your neck too, its got to be 200% easier with a roll over jig?
Decided on the finish colour yet, Orange?

Nice thorough job anyway, theres going to be quite a few really nice IMPs going back on the road in the next year or so. :D
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by The Nun » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:28 am

Anymore updates? With the previous rapid progress im expecting to see it back on the road now? :wink:
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by tiker » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:14 am

Hi Scott what are your feelings on underseal good are bad for a classic you've seen a lot of cars ?
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by The Nun » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:32 am

My thoughts on underseal are if you look around some of the best preserved original IMPs they are the early ones and they had no underseal on the underside, only later did they start doing it, I think partly to fill in all the gaps to stop leaks more than anything, though they said it was for sound insulation.
The traditional bitumastic underseal is fine as long as its on a sound background, trouble is it dries out cracks and then water gets behind it and then rot occurs.
I suppose if you regularly coat it with waxoyl to help keep it fairly supple you will be ok.

Theres lots of modern alternatives now like stone chip and then overpainted, or so Ive heard to best stuff at the moment is the material they use to spray on pickup rear decks, Rhino floor or something, suppose to stick like to a blanket and excellent wear resistance.
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by impmann » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:18 pm

I hate the stuff.

Every Imp (bar one) I've ever seen with rusty floors (and I've seen a lot of Imps with rusty floors) has been because the underseal has breached, water has tracked under it and rotted the floor out.

As Peter says, the early cars had no underseal but were painted - these survive better in my experience because the water doesn't get trapped against the steel. PLUS you can *see* where there is surface rust forming, then you can sand it back, treat it and repaint it... the first you know about the issue when its covered in bitumen is when your screwdriver goes through the panel.
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by colin rooney » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:37 pm

i always use black waxoyl never had a problem
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:30 pm

The Nun wrote:How did you get it off in the end? I found laborious chipping it off with a blunt flat chisel the best and less messy way then cleaning the residue off with white spirits, some bits come off in good chunks and other areas its well stuck on, tried heating it up and that makes a heck of a mess, and when you sweep it all up a the end theres quite a surprising amount of weight to it too.
I had to do it lying down under the car on axle stands though, no roll over jig, and thats hard on your neck too, its got to be 200% easier with a roll over jig?
Decided on the finish colour yet, Orange?

Nice thorough job anyway, theres going to be quite a few really nice IMPs going back on the road in the next year or so. :D
Blunt chisel as you say

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:33 pm

The Nun wrote:Anymore updates? With the previous rapid progress im expecting to see it back on the road now? :wink:
Lost a couple of weeks at the beginning of the month due to a chest infection and now concentrating on getting VAK the yellow clan rolling again and now that the sun is shining everyone wants work done. What a pain but it pays the bills :D

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:01 pm

tiker wrote:Hi Scott what are your feelings on underseal good are bad for a classic you've seen a lot of cars ?
I will be painting it with a self etch primer and an undercoat with a two pack top coat followed by stonechip and another top coat.

Part of the problem with factory finish underseals for both the Imp and some moderns is its over a primer only so if it fails and water is trapped
its not long before rust sets in and by keeping it damp only accelerates the problem. Having a proper top coat underneath will go a long way to preventing
this.

Leaving the underside just painted it won't be long before the arches are chipped and need attention and it will be considerably noisier.

Whatever you do, regular inspections and dealing with any issues will see it last more than the 40-50 year it has already survived.

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by tiker » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:12 am

Thanks for that Scott will take it onboard when I get to it :-)
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by The Nun » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:35 am

tiker wrote:Thanks will take it onboard when I get to it :-)
You sound like a sea faring man?, same as a friend of mine is, when his panels dont line up properly, Theyve gone adrift. :D
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by tiker » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:53 am

It's just the Yorkshire coming out "e lad al teck it on board"
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:40 pm

We have been given notice to quite our unit for the 15th July so with VAK back to a rolling shell and the Green Clan ready for an MOT with its new engine and gearbox its time to get back to TSX.

Rear inner arch cleaned up and painted ready for the quarter to be fitted.
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:03 pm

Rear quarter done and front wing underway
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:53 pm

N/S underway
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by impanator93 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:40 pm

Looks great Scott! I kind of miss doing all that stuff - bitter sweet i suppose :roll:
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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by colimp66 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:03 pm

Looking good Scott and coming along nicely with all that new panelwork. :D

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:46 pm

Getting there, Scott. :D

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by bks974c » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:28 pm

Its taken a lot of hidden work to get to the wings on but getting there now.
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Must remember to clean the lens on my phone before taking more photos :oops:

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Re: Karen's Imp Sport

Post by philgsmith » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:44 am

Great work Scott ..

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