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Re: Mk1 hillman imp saved from scrap

Post by hillmanimpfan » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:16 pm

front seats are for sale soon looking for bucket seats as not to my taste if anyone is interested
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Post by bazzateer » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:23 am

hillmanimpfan wrote: using bed liner for mine might be a first for imp ?
I know of a few Imps with Raptor Bedliner on the underside. :wink:
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:31 am

bazzateer wrote:
hillmanimpfan wrote: using bed liner for mine might be a first for imp ?
I know of a few Imps with Raptor Berliner on the underside. :wink:
thats the stuff think its the way forward as water cant get in then
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Post by The Nun » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:55 am

bazzateer wrote:I know of a few Imps with Raptor Berliner on the underside. :wink:
Is that Latin for rusted up? :?
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:58 pm

apparently from what i ve heard it makes good sense but i prefer tradiation method of waxoyl type underseal same as anyone might give it a try on imp apparently makes car strong too
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Post by oli » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:25 pm

Has had the external trim removed too by the looks of it. Interior door cappings are definitely Stiletto. I have a set of rear trims from a '67 Sport - and they are just Chamois ones with the wooden piece covered in black vinyl instead of being veneered and polished. They do look good though. Might have my brother's old Stiletto rear ones if you don't have matching front and rear.
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Post by bazzateer » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:53 pm

hillmanimpfan wrote:apparently from what i ve heard it makes good sense but i prefer tradiation method of waxoyl type underseal same as anyone might give it a try on imp apparently makes car strong too
When I get LNK sorted I plan to have the underside and wheelarches dones in Raptor and then overpainted body-colour. Once that's done cavity wax will be injected in the usual places. Suspension components will probabaly be Raptored as well.
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Post by impmann » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:05 am

Early cars never had underseal, just paint.

Skye (our '64 Imp) sat for 14 years in a field and had no rust to speak of underneath.

Tbh, I detest underseal - when it dries out, cracks appear and water can get under it. Because of the nature of underseal, once the moisture is under it, it can't get back out and so that moisture gets trapped against the steel. Often there is no paint under the sealant and so the steel just festers.

The best solution IMHO is to paint the floors and wheel arches in colour and then apply *clear* waxoyl or similar to protect it. That way, if the protection breaches you can see the surface rust start, treat that and then reseal. If you can see rust through underseal it's often too late...

There's more than 18 ways to skin a Goldfish and all that - but that's my opinion based on owning one or two Imps. ;-)
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:35 am

Totally agree Tim , the best preserved cars seem to have never been undersealed , my two included
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Post by ImpManiac » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:09 pm

For these reasons, I don't plan to underseal my Chamois when it's restored either. :idea: I'd rather touch in a stone chip or seven than worry about what is going on under a coat of goo.

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Post by pubcrawler » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:05 pm

Treated the underside of mine with a combination of these :o stay away from underseal and hammerite :D
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Post by The Nun » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:53 pm

pubcrawler wrote:Treated the underside of mine with a combination of these :o stay away from underseal and hammerite :D
Are the screwdrivers for assisting in old underseal removal or for getting the lids off the tins? :wink:
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Post by pubcrawler » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:44 am

The Nun wrote:Are the screwdrivers for assisting in old underseal removal or for getting the lids off the tins? :wink:
It's actually a Draper gasket scraper Peter and I found it very effective for removing the old underseal :D
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:31 pm

started stripping her down today engine removed and back crossmember, next interior pictures will follow soon :) need find a decent roll cage if anyone has one as plan on racing mine with my MSA license because mine isnt original if was i ll return it to standard factory. bonnet now in primer still at unsure stage ? good idea or bad
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:19 pm

could do with advice from other imp owners engine siezed trying diesel and cola to free it no joy removing the head this afternoon but 37 years is alot to ask from engine tbh but anyone else had trouble freeing them as this second one i ve had to free in 10 years last time didnt go to well
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Post by impmann » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:25 pm

This works best if the engine is out and supported upright in a stout engine box.

Take the head off.

Get some engine oil and heat it up in a saucepan til it's pretty hot.

Pour the hot oil into each pot and let it sit for a few minutes.

Now get a stout screwdriver and start levering the flywheel around, using the ring gear and the gearbox studs. Use a back one step and forward two steps to help it along. And be careful of getting the hot oil on you.
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Post by Richard Claydon » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:37 pm

Be very careful heating oil in a saucepan though as it'll flash very easily!
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Post by impmann » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:39 pm

WHS!

Yes, sorry I meant to add the word 'carefully' - you don't want it super hot, you just want it hot enough to cause a bit of localised expansion so the oil can then run into any minute gaps to free it off. FWIW, the last time I did this was on a flat camping stove in the middle of the lawn, so if it all went wrong only the grass would suffer.
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:43 pm

impmann wrote:WHS!

Yes, sorry I meant to add the word 'carefully' - you don't want it super hot, you just want it hot enough to cause a bit of localised expansion so the oil can then run into any minute gaps to free it off. FWIW, the last time I did this was on a flat camping stove in the middle of the lawn, so if it all went wrong only the grass would suffer.
LOL started to stripdown the engine hopefully not to bad as bores look clean tbh clean round the piston tops got carbon off, one of cylinder head bolts has snapped but i ll fix that once its free
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:51 pm

got stuck into my imp recently just stripping mine down for shotblast and respray undecided on the blue yet
but hope someone on here can help anyone have a engine crossmember for sale local to nottingham as mine badly rotten and also rear bumper and hubcaps ?
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:47 am

long hard winter but getting there now
could someone also help with original colour for imp is it still available ? sort of sky blue underneath dark blue where can i buy it
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Post by bazzateer » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:55 am

The paint code should be on the chassis plate.
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Post by The Nun » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:05 am

If the cars had a non standard repaint take a sample panel/part or the car along to a pro paint shop, they can now match any colour using a computer matching system that even takes into account paint fade so you can match it up exactly?
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Fri May 06, 2016 6:57 pm

process report is my engine now turns over but i have hairline crack in number 3 cylinder but i believe mk1 block liners arent removeable ? any advise
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri May 06, 2016 7:08 pm

hillmanimpfan wrote:...i have hairline crack in number 3 cylinder but i believe mk1 block liners arent removeable ? any advise
Assuming the engine is a standard 875 cc or one of the smaller oversizes - 20, 40 or 60 thou - the liners are indeed not removable. The same is true of later Imp engines. Only the wet liner 998 cc or larger engines have removable liners. One simple test is to remove the coolant fitting on the top of the block below the dynamo or alternator. Look inside and see if you can see the cylinders inside the coolant jacket. Check whether or not the surface is magnetic. If it is not, then the liners are not removable.

Either way, you have options on the engine. A wet liner conversion is not cheap, though. :!:

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Post by hillmanimpfan » Fri May 06, 2016 7:49 pm

believe its 998cc but i cant confirm atm but did have intercooler fitted but crack only about 4 mm from surface was only small crack but just enough to cause issues. made small small line across the gasket area aswell
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Post by hillmanimpfan » Fri May 06, 2016 7:50 pm

see the issue now more cleanly after i clean it all up ashame as the engine itself now turns over and has great compression wondering if anyone had same issue ?
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Post by kilty » Fri May 06, 2016 10:20 pm

oli wrote: Interior door cappings are definitely Stiletto.
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Post by John Simister » Sat May 07, 2016 3:10 pm

It's a standard dry-liner 875. It's just possible that the crack could be laser welded as long as the aluminium top surface hasn't separated from the iron dry liner which starts about 1.5mm below the aluminium. It depends on what caused the crack. Years ago it was possible to repair damage like this by machining out the whole dry liner and its aluminium 'jacket', and bonding in a suitable-size wet liner as used in a 998, but with a smaller bore to match the other three. I used to have an engine repaired in that way, and it was fine. But I don't know if anyone has those liners any more. One could be machined from scratch, but it would probably be cheaper just to find another engine block or complete engine. But then you lose the original engine number, if indeed your car still has its original engine.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do. Talk to the Imp engine specialists, I suggest, such as Dennis Allt (Transimp), Andy Jones (Shrigley Engineering), Mark Maynard (Maynard Motorsport), Reg Patten. They can be found via a web search.

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Post by imporium » Mon May 09, 2016 2:44 pm

hillmanimpfan wrote:see the issue now more cleanly after i clean it all up ashame as the engine itself now turns over and has great compression wondering if anyone had same issue ?
That block is scrap now.....start again with another block or half engine ...a better later one ! I have a few options here if needed ?
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