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VAK 1972 Clan Crusader

Post by bks974c » Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:13 pm

Just brought home another Clan, its in the right colour and has the perfect patina for track daying.

Changed the plugs and it fired right up :D

It's well know to some on here. Si sold it to a guy who wanted to race it but because of the injection wasn't able so sold it onto the person I bought it from, owned it almost to the day for 7 years. He did a few track days and autotests, a couple where I've been out at the same time but largely little used, don't think its changed much since Si sold it on and in my opinion will benefit from a thorough refresh.
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Post by Oscarmax » Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:16 pm

Very nice
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Post by bazzateer » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:11 pm

VAK's back!
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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:24 pm

Lovely car! Interesting spec. too. :D Enjoy!

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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:41 pm

bazzateer wrote:VAK's back!
Took the words right outta me mouth! :D

But I think it was as much famous for that fine torquey Ben Boult 1040 (than it's chassis) that nuked most in the rolling road event all those years ago. Shame it was split-up. I recall the rolling road numbers for Si's 950i were pretty good mind benefiting from modern upgrades that extracted a lot from the spec. Clan004
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Post by bazzateer » Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:02 am

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bazzateer wrote:VAK's back!
Took the words right outta me mouth! :D

But I think it was as much famous for that fine torquey Ben Boult 1040 (than it's chassis) that nuked most in the rolling road event all those years ago. Shame it was split-up. I recall the rolling road numbers for Si's 950i were pretty good mind benefiting from modern upgrades that extracted a lot from the spec. Clan004
That 1040 ended up in his old blue Imp Sport which was eventually sold to someone in Ireland.
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Post by Grahame59 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:22 am

I've always loved this Clan. It used to be owned by my friend Grahame Harden (and, yes, his name is spelt the same as mine!) who was a long-time Imp Club member and has owned many Imps and this car before moving onto some very rapid Westfields. He did the initial sprint prep of the Clan before Si bought it and the roof bulge was necessary as he was well over 6' tall. For a while it had my old Clan's 998 engine installed (which was assembled by Lotus-e-Clan, small world, though I subsequently added twin 40s) which I suspect may possibly have still been in the car in this excellent vid of Grahame in a St Eval sprint, near to his then-home in Cornwall.



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Post by The Nun » Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:35 am

Grahame59 wrote:I've always loved this Clan. It used to be owned by my friend Grahame Harden (and, yes, his name is spelt the same as mine!) who was a long-time Imp Club member and has owned many Imps

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Have you not got your son into IMPS and Clans yet Grahame? Last time I saw him he was busy polishing your IMP, (he must have been about 5 at least? :? ) I thought at that time, you must be training him up ready?? :wink:
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Post by Grahame59 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:42 am

The Nun wrote:
Grahame59 wrote:I've always loved this Clan. It used to be owned by my friend Grahame Harden (and, yes, his name is spelt the same as mine!) who was a long-time Imp Club member and has owned many Imps

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Have you not got your son into IMPS and Clans yet Grahame? Last time I saw him he was busy polishing your IMP, (he must have been about 5 at least? :? ) I thought at that time, you must be training him up ready?? :wink:
Stephen came very close to buying a Californian a while back but it needed work. Later he bought an Elise and now has a nice Alfa Brera Prodrive S (a far better car than the normal Brera). One day, who knows, he may get an Imp or Clan but I think he prefers driving to spannering.
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Post by ibbo » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:54 pm

i had a fantastic duel with mr harding in this car when it was fitted with the 1040 motor at curbourgh sprint track he made me work very hard for a class win in my davrian pleased to see the car is still around
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Post by Grahame59 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:09 pm

ibbo wrote:i had a fantastic duel with mr harding in this car when it was fitted with the 1040 motor at curbourgh sprint track he made me work very hard for a class win in my davrian pleased to see the car is still around
Yep, I'm pleased to see it's still around too, and in the club. (Btw, Harden not Harding.)
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Post by colimp66 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:36 pm

Oooh!!! That s nice Scott 8)
2 Clans to thrash around in now.

Lucky man. :wink:

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Re: VAK The rebuild starts

Post by bks974c » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:48 pm

One of the things I had identified that needed sorting was to mount the seat properly as it was simply bolted to the floor, not the best idea as the floor is very flimsy in a clan. The plan was to make brackets that mount to the transmission tunnel and inner sills just like the originals, the first problem was gaining access to the inner sill as they had been filled with expanding foam, the second was the roll cage prevented access to the hole in the rear quarter.
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So after removing the seat and roll cage I started digging out the expanded foam using various tools, eventually got the drivers side done then started on the passengers, getting on well until I spotted a bit of loose fiberglass on the sill and had a poke which revealed wet wood and with a bit more digging a hole.
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No worries as would have liked to move the coolant pipes into the sills so I can fit a passenger seat and will now be able to do this :D

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Post by Impecunious » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:53 pm

Cilla Black..... 8)
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Post by bazzateer » Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:46 am

As a metal bodied car owner it's slightly reassuring to know the plastic ones can rot too! :lol:

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Post by rhydian_mason » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:36 pm

how much of a job is it to get the foam out of the sills - I have a very similar set up to your in mine and want to route pipes down the (foam filled!) sills!
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Re: VAK The rebuild starts

Post by The Nun » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:45 pm

I dont know if youre supposed to do it or not, but when i put my Irish Clan together i put a 1/2" drain hole in the bottom edge of the sill front and rear, i assumed that if any water did get in it could drain out and not sit there forever like a bath tub?
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Post by Impecunious » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:22 pm

Been over this many times before but, fwiw, the original Crusader had 2 holes in the outer sill base (front and rear) to let out rainwater. Unfortunately, the front wheelarch panels covering the door hinges were not sealed and neither were the lower hinge brackets which you see on the front of the horizontal sill surface when you open the door. The former allows road surface water to be driven past the panel edges and into the sill, the latter allows rainwater to drip through into the sill. As the inside of the sill plywood was not sealed with grp resin or anything else, the sills rot all along the lower length. This is exacerbated by the drain holes becoming easily blocked by twigs, mud and other fine debris. Anyone cutting a rotten sill out of a Clan will be familar with the mountain of muddy cr*p that is usually removed from the floor/sill joint.

The engine bay side diaphragms don't even have drain holes at the bottom. The body sections behind can fill with water driven through tiny holes in the inner wheelarch laminate by the rotating roadwheels. It can be somewhat puzzling to hear fluid sloshing about somewhere behind the driver's head....

I drilled engine bay drainholes in one Clan many years ago and got a good gallon of water out in total :shock:

'The world's most rotproof motor car'..... :roll:

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Post by The Nun » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:55 pm

That must be why my Clan is still around and still looking very nice then.
I sealed the wheelarch infills to stop the water going in from the wheels too :-)
As i always say, a car might look good but its all the tiny details no one normally notices that turns a good car into a special one :-)
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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:37 pm

And another often ignored variable is the percentage of the time the car spends outside.

It's not so much the time spent being driven - the movement and heat generated inside the shell offset wet driving conditions to a degree, but it's rather the percentage time standing just doing nothing. - And that probably includes being parked under the full-range of unfavourable drainage angles allowing water accumulate within the structures left right and centre (for days, weeks, months, years - delete as appropriate).

Given that most classics we tend to be interested in have 'weatherproofing design faults', th classic previously owned by enthusiast(s) with a garage used as intended (for cars, not human detritus) is likely to remain structurally most original as time goes by.

Checking previous owner's abodes (and garaging habit in particular) throughout the history of the car (if only that were possible!) would be more revealing than most of the 'thorough' pre-sale inspections undertaken by most of us. :)
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Post by bks974c » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:10 pm

rhydian_mason wrote:how much of a job is it to get the foam out of the sills - I have a very similar set up to your in mine and want to route pipes down the (foam filled!) sills!
Easily done in a day assuming that the interior comes out without any problems if the foam is the same as mine.

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Post by bks974c » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:14 pm

Impecunious wrote: 'The world's most rotproof motor car'..... :roll:

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Not bad for a 43 year old car - if it last another 43 don't think I'll be the one doing it :lol:

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Post by Impecunious » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:05 pm

Just quoting P.H. again Scott.

If you leave out all the plywood and the non-Imp steelwork which was given one coat of chassis black, the shell itself is pretty damn good. Use Airex cored grp diaphragms and galvanised/stainless/properly protected steelwork and it probably is the world's most rotproof motor car :)

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Re: VAK The rebuild starts

Post by bks974c » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:28 pm

Gluing the Clan back together beats welding but takes longer than I thought but no grinding of welds :lol:
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Post by 617sqn » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:35 pm

Nice work, that :D

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Post by bks974c » Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:58 pm

Thanks Andy
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Bad case of glass worm too :wink:
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Post by Impecunious » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:34 pm

Pre-glassing preparation looks very thorough Scott - well done. Bet you've gone through a face mask or two and had a few lukewarm showers... 8)

Did you paint the back of the diaphragm with resin before you fitted it? Anything behind the boxed in B post section you have made up (eg foam)? Did you pressure test the cooling system pipe joints before laminating them in?

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Post by bks974c » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:14 pm

Impecunious wrote:Pre-glassing preparation looks very thorough Scott - well done. Bet you've gone through a face mask or two and had a few lukewarm showers... 8)

Did you paint the back of the diaphragm with resin before you fitted it? Anything behind the boxed in B post section you have made up (eg foam)? Did you pressure test the cooling system pipe joints before laminating them in?

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Few face masks but surprisingly its not been too itchy, in fact hardly anything. :D

Diaphragm painted and a layer of tissue added to the back, then resin poured down over the rear arch with the nose down to seal the bottom then leveled to set.

Pipes tested by sealing one end and blowing into the other - my usual test for plumbing work and so far never had a leak but your right major pain if it were to leak.

Nothing in the B pillar, idea taken from the set up in the Irish Clan. Do you think foam would be beneficial ?

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Post by Impecunious » Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:36 pm

I don't think foam behind the B post section you have made is going to do much except as part of a wider sound deadening program Scott. I just wondered if you had run any sort of stiffening eg. paper rope, from the floor to the roof in the corner of the door pillar/B post.

As you know, the Crusader B post is an air outlet route next to the rear quarterlight, and drain channel into the sill for rainwater driven through the air vent. I take it they have been sealed off on VAK? The Irish car has a rudimentary rectangular cross section grp roll hoop across the rear of the roof and down the B posts.

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Post by 617sqn » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:48 pm

Back in the day (early 1980's) I was briefly involved with a couple of guys running in the Slik50 race series, in SD1's and Capri's. They used to fill box sections with expanding foam to increase the stiffness of the chassis : strictly speaking it was illegal, but still went on. Further to this, my own experience of allegedly "closed cell" foam is that it certainly isn't closed, and it can and will act like a sponge. In steel cars this is bad enough, but in a plywood based vehicle I'd say it was worse as far as introducing out of sight rot. Mk 3 Cortinas had foam injected into the lower rear sections in the boot, and this led to much rusting. Not a major problem in the Slik50 cars as they were laid up more often than used, not usually being everyday cars. Unless you can guarantee that it cannot get wet, I'd personally avoid using it. Just my thruppence worth.

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Post by bks974c » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:13 pm

Thanks Dave

Useful information about the strengthening and had I known about it before probably would have added it.

The boxing will add some strength and stiffening and along with its steel roll bar should provide adequate protection.

The vents are off but still open as still to decide on what I want to do with them, like the aestetics of them.

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Post by bks974c » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:22 pm

Today spent modifying MX5 seat runners and adding in the front support for the floor.

Fitted roll bar so I could see how it affected the seat position, the diagonal restricts the amount it reclines but that's the passenger side so not really going to effect me :lol:
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Post by bks974c » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:06 pm

Trial fitted the seat - this is not the one that will be used
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Taken outside and the dust cleaned off before turning around to do the other sill
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Post by Grahame59 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:07 am

Nice looking Skoda Rapid behind VAK, don't see many of those nowadays.
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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:26 am

Great work, Scott! :D

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Post by 617sqn » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:03 am

Indeed it is :D However, I quite liked the green tinged colouring in the first few images, but now I see its lairy yellow :shock: Blimey, but thats bright ! :lol:

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Post by bks974c » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:04 pm

Grahame59 wrote:Nice looking Skoda Rapid behind VAK, don't see many of those nowadays.
Good spot, in for a little welding. Late car with fuel injection and 5 speed, only 30,000 miles owner by a Skoda dealer.


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The green tinge will be the layer of dust on it, have decided to repaint it once other work finished - in as lairy yellow as I can find 8)

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Post by 617sqn » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:42 pm

have decided to repaint it once other work finished - in as lairy yellow as I can find 8)
Haha, MG Trophy Yellow is quite "in-yer-face". :D

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Re: VAK The rebuild

Post by bks974c » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:28 pm

Other side stripped out and panel trial fitted.

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