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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:58 pm

You're doing a good, thorough job, Gary. :D

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:20 pm

Got inside epoxy primed today
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

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lookin superb i must say
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

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Wow!
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by ImpManiac » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:18 pm

The car looks nothing less than superb, Gary! 8)

How do you rate the epoxy primer? :?: I think I shall use same for my own restoration projects.

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:09 am

Hi the epoxy gets better more I use it but not any epoxy I reviewed many forums before buying it being filling some small area's today.The epoxy sands well and keyed the rest with green scotch brite you can tell it's tough stuff but you can work with it ,some of the other s you can't sand as easy they say i would thoroughly recommend it
Also been seam sealing , what a horrible messy job that is
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:29 am

Also bought another spray gun for primer lvlp 1.8 I have a 1.4 hvlp for metallic and a lvlp 1.3 for lacquer
I was using the hvlp for primer but it's not large enough for the epoxy and the high build primer
I managed but it's not good enough for the outside
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by The Nun » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:50 am

Just think what youre saving, if you had had all that done professionally that youve done/doing, it would be a 30 grand car when youve finished :o
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:03 pm

30 grad
I could have bought a new BMW
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:26 pm

Don't know John must be the fumes from the seam sealer :-)
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

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tiker wrote:30 grad
I could have bought a new BMW
Or 200 competition doughnuts :?
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:53 am

Update on the Epoxy
Filled on top of it as your supposed to sanded it back ,it flats back to a feather edge no lifting in fact until I panel wiped it I couldn't tell where the edge was
Very impressed
I also dropped a bit and didn't notice thought it would just chip off with a chisel, think again it wasn't having it at all had to shave it off bit at a time then sand it away
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:29 pm

The level of protection performance you describe from the epoxy primer sounds most encouraging, Gary. :idea:

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by The Nun » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:37 pm

Needs finishing off with an epoxy clear coat then it will chip the stones rather than the other way around? :)
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:35 pm

ImpManiac wrote:The level of protection performance you describe from the epoxy primer sounds most encouraging, Gary. :idea:

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Yes it's looking good and you can put basecoat,clear straight over the top no need for high build primer which is what I will do on the inside
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:36 am

Just went over the filler today with epoxy to seal it, used the new 1.8 primer gun very nice laid much flatter only a cheap gun too .
Size does matter!!
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:13 am

Gary, what does "1.8" allude to? Is it something like nozzle diameter or air bleed diameter? I have a couple of cheap spray guns but want, eventually, to gear up to protect my cars like you are doing yours. :)

I shall do some research too.

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:48 pm

1.8 is the diameter of the hole and needle,
Larger it is the thicker material will flow through better ,when using the 1.4 it was finding it hard to push it through, forcing it rather than it flowing through at a reduced pressure this allows it to atomise the paint into smaller droplets and it goes on the surface more smoothly or flatter no indentation known as orange peel
Metallic is finer so needs a smaller hole and needle hence 1.4 it doesn't seem much difference but it does make a difference
Lvlp is low volume low pressure you only need a small compressor they work well with very little over spray but you can't spray metallic with them you need a hvlp high volume low pressure you can also use this type for everything but don't like to work the compressor hard all the time that's why I use the other type of gun too it personally choice I like to have 1 gun for primer 1for basecoat and 1 for lacquer/ no paint contamination.
Iam no expert but hope it clears it a bit :-)
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by ImpManiac » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:58 pm

Thank you, Gary. That is most helpful. :D :D

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by impanator93 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:44 am

then slowly welded it bit at a time to keep cool didn't get any distortion
Hi Gary, The skin you've made looks really good! I'm going to have to do a similar job to my doors soon and was wondering how you have sealed the edges? As in are the edges of the outer skin you've made folded over the inner skin then stitch welded and seam sealed like on Mini doors?

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:37 pm

Hi Dan the skin is bent round the edges on all 3 sides , the outer edges I first bent at 90 degree ,the bottom edge almost tapped full down just enough to be able to slide it up into place then filled it with seam sealer including the other 2 edges , tack welded the outside then hammer and dollyed the edge down , cleaned of the squeezed out sealer
There is no welding at the edges ,it's only seam welded at the top
Please ask anything iam pleased to help as others have helped me
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by impanator93 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:10 am

Hi Gary,

Thats really helpful thank you. Couple of questions though if you don't mind:

1) What length of overlap did you make the door edges have?

2) I may have to make a larger skin than you, starting under the door handle, so is there no welding at all the the edge of the door?

3) Do you think it would be possible to carry out similar skin work to what you have done, but off of the car? My car is a 2 hr drive away from me right now so my thoughts were to go down to the car and double check how the doors fit, then bring them up the road and form the skin against the inners of the doors in the same way you have. I wouldn't have thought that would alter the alignment of the door or fitment since id only be skinning from just above halfway down the door?

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:26 am

I would make some templates of the door size and the curve and mark them up against a ref on the door as once you bring it back you can never remember how it was
I would start with bottom fold and edge on hinge side , folded edge is about 8mm but gets smaller near hinge
If you have a stretcher that's great for curve but I don't so had to cut some slots to allow me to bend it ,it's only these slots that I've welded up at the back.
I joggled the edge on the face of the door I thought it made it more rigid but you'll have to judge that yourself higher up
Once hinge side is somewhere near you can move to lock side and do same ,I used hammer and dolly to do this side .
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:43 pm

I mistake I made was not to put any curvature in it before folding the bottom edge
It's very hard to bend later , you can bend the edges fine but it doesn't hold the contour all the way across if I did it again I would leave it longer get it to the right shape then cut it of later
One other thing is make sure the inner frame is the correct shape before you start the outer, you will just waste your time otherwise
Hope it helps drop me a pm if you get stuck
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:48 pm

Hi sorry just remembered the bottom edge is not a full fold it's quite a large angle as the curve at the bottom is quite tite compared to the higher portion :-)
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:22 am

There is some good advice there on making repair sections in general, Gary. Thank you! 8)

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by cov_climax » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:25 am

Hi Dan,
I put lower skins on mine, at the time there was a great sheet metal man in our village with a well equipped workshop. I had him roll me some sheet to match the curve, but like Gary says- better do this with extra length of the panel as rolls will not curve the first and last 6" or so.

Get them to cut and fold the edges at 90 degrees afterwards and this will loose the curve at the edge somewhat but the middle will 'remember', don't worry because when you fold the edges round with a hammer and dolly the shape will come back. If you don't roll the curve you may end up with the skin flattening out in the middle of the door.
I've seen pictures of someone making a imp skin on a bench, with nothing more than a sheet of thick board (mdf or worktop), a scaffold tube and clamps to put the curve in. Then using angle iron to fold the edges around.

Like Gary says best get the frame to fit on the car first without the skin, it's loads easier to adjust, and usually very floppy without the skin in place, ( especially if you've cut a lot of the inner skin out like I had). If you can fit the skin next to the car all the better as trial fitting as you go helps get a better fit.

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by impanator93 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:33 am

Thanks very much for your replies guys!

I'll be picking up the doors next week hopefully and ill put some photo's up on my JRS thread as i progress. I'll pick up some 0.9mm sheet this weekend so i have it all ready to go.

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:03 am

Hi all ,
Everything I've bought so far has been a I need this purchase but this week that changed saw an item on eBay and the imp bug I think has started
This was my first I want purchase!!

Is there any hope, can I be cured?
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:59 am

Hi managed to get some Hi build primer on today gone from shiny grey to Matt grey , unfortunately time is a problem working shifts but can't wait to see the colour on a large area
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by chris d » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:15 am

nice work gary
wait until you see it in natural light.totaly different
are you going to do it in the light green you showed us earlier.
will need sunglasses and a hazard warning for the general public on a bright sunny day.
have you adjusted the holes for the locking handles yet,you need to remove a bit of metal to make them fit,
do it before you prime it.
keep going,not long until you are driving it.
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:57 pm

Thanks for the tip about the locking handles Chris didn't know that.It was a good day for spraying todaythe top photo is the true colour
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by chris d » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:27 pm

i guess your doing it green then
finish looks good
is that straight out the gun
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:35 pm

Yes straight from gun its max Mayer 200 high solids lacquer so quite thick but in this lower temp flows really well with std thinner and hardner the colour is a lot lighter in the sun it's ford squeeze green
A squeeze green. Stiletto :-)
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:55 pm

Engine compartment now Epoxy primed
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by 617sqn » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:38 pm

I think that slice of meatloaf has gone off :shock: Don't be tempted to eat it between flattening off :?

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration (SRC 527F )

Post by tiker » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:13 pm

Hey that piece of meatloaf is keeping these old knees going and they still have a long way to go :-)
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