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68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:10 pm

Hi could someone please look as photos the car came to me already repaired should the bottom of the wing by the door .I mean the cill part be straight are turned out like this one both sides are the same I am thinking they need to be re done this is my 1st imp so have no reference to go by
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Re: front wing alignment

Post by The Nun » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:39 pm

Ive just looked at mine which is original factory fit and its straight parallel with the sill, but mine is an early car and they were better made than the Chrysler cars which were sort of anyhow.

That said its intended to be parallel with the sill and if youre doing a restoration its your chance to get it right even if it wasnt originally.
What youve got there isnt way out, most folk probably wouldnt notice anything wrong, but if youre wanting it spot on then its not I suppose.
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Post by tiker » Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:04 pm

Hi thanks for the imput its a 68 the wings have been put on before anything was repaired underneath so they have to come of .I just want to put it back as best as poss
I'll have to start a thread in readers cars its just getting the time .I know I'll have more help and input if I do
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Re: front wing alignment

Post by ganderson888 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:03 pm

tiker wrote:I'll have to start a thread in readers cars its just getting the time .I know I'll have more help and input if I do
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Hi Gary

I've moved this into the Readers thread section for you so you can carry on reporting all aspects of resto progress in here...

Just change the title of your first post to reflect that it now relates to your car rather than having specific Q&A's in several different threads.

Hope that helps, and before ImpManiac :mrgreen: asks you'd be well advised to post more pics - time permitting of course :wink:

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:50 pm

First pics I got the car in bare metal so first stage was to wire brush ,hydrate 80 and zinc prime my plan was to protect everything I could and come back to the welding later .The photos start 2012 and I will try to post in order.Please note don't be afraid to coment if you spot anything you think I am doing wrong I would rather know all help will be taken as that I just want to put the old girl back together as you will see there is some very doggy work gone on here hopefully I can put that right.
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:04 pm

More photos
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by Lars Hagermark » Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:12 pm

I'll follow your thread with great interest. Love to see restorations done with care and "think first". :D
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Re: front wing alignment

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:58 pm

ganderson888 wrote:before ImpManiac :mrgreen: asks you'd be well advised to post more pics - time permitting of course :wink:
Moi? :mrgreen: :wink:

Great project. I'm looking forward to following its progress. :)

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:42 pm

Once on the spit it was down to the lovely task of wire brushing
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Post by tiker » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:30 pm

More wire brushing
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by The Nun » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:46 pm

Thats hard filthy work and noisy too, but you can certainly see where youre up to.
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:59 am

Hi Peter your bang on horrible work and it take's so long having to pick all the bits of underseal and seam sealer .The cars in a lock up and I work shfts so after unloading and clearing up I will get at most 3/4 hours.
It must have taken 6 months to get most of the shell watertight, the lads at work didn't believe I was still cleaning it up .
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by ImpManiac » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:48 pm

I admire your dedication and tenacity, tiker. Great work. 8)

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Post by 617sqn » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:23 pm

Yes indeed. Keep it coming ! :D

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:56 am

Now for the bad bit that had already been done I will have to take these apart to redo the metal behind them.Bare in mind that the car was full braced to do the inner and outer sills so there was access to them, the same for front wings I have seen photos of them off so why leave the inner wing and lower corners of front panel??
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Post by tiker » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:11 am

Front wings need a little TLC
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by kilty » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:31 am

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:24 am

Thought I had better have a look at rear of sill so pulled of the lower wing repair panel
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:51 am

No rust protection ? Their brand new sills !! just need zinc and weld through primer now sorted till the next bit
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by ImpManiac » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:06 pm

:shock: Yikes! That's crappy workmanship you're having to undo there! :roll: Keep it up. You'll get there. :wink:

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:02 am

Started on rear suspension mounts
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:07 am

Could not save captive nuts so cut it all back to good metal
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:18 am

The edge had gone so had to replace it and put small lip to plug weld to later
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:35 am

Cut back the cone for access it was good on the left side so only replaced 1/2 of it painted inside zinc and weld through primer
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Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:50 am

Welded top section in
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Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:06 am

Made bottom section as I'm not good enough to do it in one
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Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:36 am

Seam welded in and plug welded corner just to make sure
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:58 am

You can see from this photo through the center of the spring mount that I have cut away on the inside.I don't have any photos must have just got carred away its double skined and looked fine on top but not underneath so redid it ,put flanges on and spot welded it to outside
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Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:11 am

Welded and redriled captive nuts,a thin layer of waterproof filler and zinc primer it looks better in the photo than it is but I know it's strong and all metal now
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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by The Nun » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:15 am

Looking much better, makes it much easier when you can put the car in the right position instead of doing it upside down so to speak.
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Post by tiker » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:35 am

Don't think you could do it as easy without a spit, it's a pleasure working upright
And I agree with all your comments Peter if you know what I mean
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:44 pm

Lovely work, Gary. :D Solid is more important than pretty. Your welding and fabricating skills will improve as you progress.

Keep up the great work! :wink:

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by cov_climax » Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:31 pm

Really nice work, I've found a shrinker/stretcher makes doing repairs so much easier, you can fold a return and pull curves into the repair very easily, also if you do a butt joint and find the fit isn't spot on, you can add a shrink or stretch to the joint face to close the gap up.

I've stalled on my project for a bit, but I did some work like this earlier in the year and it's amazing what these devices allow you to create.

I won't clutter your thread but here's a link
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I also did a couple of hatch aperture repair sections, amazing really, what you can do with such a simple bit if kit.
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Keep up the great work and as I'll be stuck in the house on baby duties soon please keep the updates coming as It's great to see projects like this.

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Post by tiker » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:34 pm

Thanks Brian from you that makes me feel better about the work I'm doing .I'm already a big fan of your work the the metal bashing is inspiring . you will see later I didn't know what to do with the rear lights ,but I do now thanks to your thread take a look at what I have to fix you don't want to see the other side lol sometimes you just have to smile and get on with it
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Post by tiker » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:41 pm

Just a passing thought does anyone know how many stilettos are left they seem to be rare now .
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Post by tiker » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:49 pm

Hi next bit to tackle was the inside rear screen panel . sorry don't know correct name for it .I must admitt I shyed away from it for a long time
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Post by tiker » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:54 pm

Good ventilation open to idea's
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Post by cov_climax » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:53 pm

I could be persuaded to make some rear light pressings in a few months when the weather picks up.
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Apologies if you're up to speed on the following, but I've only found most of it through doing bits on the red shell, before you start making repair sections try and understand the panel, the likely pressing method and work out how the steel has stretched in doing so, chances are the rusty bits are in areas where the material was stretched a lot, it is therefore thinner and rusts through easier. What I now do is try and plan the repair so that I form it in the simplest way, but also favour the join lines to areas where the metal is likely to be thicker, also features like folds/swages can be strong and help stop warping, but also over long lengths can show any imperfections , such as the rear quarters when you put an arch in, it can pull the middle swage some way out of line if you do too much in one go.

As a follow on to this beware of long weld runs, try this experiment: get a foot or two of box section, run a weld down the full length on one side, as the weld cools it will shrink more than the parent material and bow it like a banana. So if you can minimise long runs all the better.

On the inner structure around the window I would cut out and remake the box profile, this allows just two or so vertical welds and then spot or plug weld around the aperture and the bottom edge. So avoids welding across the width of the car.

The outer skin is actually best tackled first, but make card templates of the inner before starting then remove it, for access/flexibility. The outer skin I think I'd cut out the whole skin including the gutter from where it has rotted leaving about half an inch of the vertical area above the rot. This is assuming you know someone or have access to a folder about 4ft long.
Now having said the above regarding long welds, you could either joggle the repair and spot weld it then seal it with seam sealer or epoxy? or overlap the repair upto the fold and weld on the fold line, you would need to pre-bend the body up in the centre by 4-5mm (perhaps more) compared to the engine cover in an attempt to match the shape once welded. And weld in short sections with plenty of natural air cooling as you go. I'd consider clamping a piece of box section in the gutter to hold the shape as you go.

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Re: 68 stiletto Restoration

Post by tiker » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:31 pm

Hi Brian
Hope the new arrival is not running you ragged, thanks for the reply but I'm running this thread as a catch up so to speak sorry for any confusion I've already done part of the repair hopefully all will become clear as we progress although I haven't done the rear lights yet.
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Post by tiker » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:54 pm

Hi all I go to the Barnsley and district meets but cant get there as often as I would like due to my shift pattern. This is my 1st imp and I have found the club meets a wealth of help and experience .I would recomend joining its worth every penny.That said back to the rusty bits. I've possable put to much detail but if it helps someone like me as other have done its ok ill keep writing if you get bored just let me know and I'll cut it down, I won't be offended. Everyone who looked at the photos said I would have to take it out to repair it but what you could not see was how bad it really was there are 3 panels spot welded together the top with the Louvre and drip tray for the engine cover which has a joggle right on the seam,the back of the engine bay with a 1/2" lip at the bottom, and sliding in the joggle my rusty panel.
I wanted to repair it as it was originally as this inside panel also wraps round the rear side window pillers and they were also rotten, its a strong section so I was going to try and keep it well as much as I could but there's always a compromise and this came in the side sections that would have to be seam welded and one would have to be a separate piece due to the taper of the side window panels so I cut it out hoping to save it , it just fell apart and no chance of saving the seams just crusty bits
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