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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:19 pm

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The 'Spacer washer' is in fact the broken away centre of the mounting flange Roy...
Yes, I was able to work that out for myself, it took a little time though !
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Post by African Imp » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:22 pm

With all the related parts removed from the pump I found that it did in fact rotate and feel as it should, so I did a Water Leak test and over night, not a drop was lost. :D
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:23 pm

I've never had to resort to using a blow torch to shift a pump pulley. I always assemble it using copperslip on the shaft so it never seizes on, and make sure the shaft and bore are clean and burr free.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:25 pm

The next day I tested the pump further and by connection of an air line, I took it up to nearly two bar, so 28 pounds almost.
The seals did not leak a drop, the larger hose started to leak via its side wall though, it is an old hose and used.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:33 pm

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I've never had to resort to using a blow torch to shift a pump pulley. I always assemble it using copperslip on the shaft so it never seizes on, and make sure the shaft and bore are clean and burr free.
Peter, its the re use of older and used parts here that is the problem, the shaft was reasonable, some free play in the pulley was the reason I used the Loctite, which I have also used on the spare pump now fitted for the same reason.

As I am now aware of the removal issue with the Loctite I will remember to use heat in future when the pulley requires removal?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:12 am

Such is the grip of red Loctite that is cleaned up the threads to look like new again :)
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:29 am

But the parts no good as the centre boss is half missing?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:50 am

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But the parts no good as the centre boss is half missing?

So Loctite it?

No, I have plenty more, it was just proof that the red loctite does grip and as they say it does.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:13 am

Does anyone have experience of a failed rear wheel bearing?

I ask as the noise that comes from the nearside rear of the car may be just that?

The noise only really sounds bad when the car has driven about ten miles and things have warmed up, brakes etc?

At first I suspected the UJ, I still have that in mind but the sound is more like an intermitant rub rather than a UJ??

Would it be the Mintex brake liner ? I cleaned the drum out and also trimmed the forward edges of the brake liner to see if that will help?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:55 am

There will be play in the bearings no doubt and the noise will get worse on corners where the load goes up on the outer wheel, I wonder why everything is suddenly going wrong, you're using it too much?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:13 am

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There will be play in the bearings no doubt and the noise will get worse on corners where the load goes up on the outer wheel, I wonder why everything is suddenly going wrong, you're using it too much?
As I took the option to grease the UJ at the time I had the rear wheel off, the noise is now reduced, a drive to keep the engine running in going saw some 34 kms run, the only sound I heard was a return of some of the noise at the turn around point, then when back on the road there was nothing more other than the hum of the silencer.

Looks like a UJ issue?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:22 am

The new engine, well new as in rebuilt has now done some 360 road miles, the running in period will continue to 500 miles still.

I can say that having had many similar tune Imp engines, that includes a 998cc version the driving and power from this engine is as good as any I can remember?

There is no real engine noise, just a turbine like hum from the silencer, cold starting has become instant and the need for a choke is a thing of the ppast.

Due to local road traffic and speed limits I have not been over 80kms per hour this far, that is a little over 3000 rpm and for sure there will be a lot more to come.

All in all I am ok with the results this far, the replacement water pump continues to drip so may require a change, the noise from the drive shaft area may mean the same?

That transaxle issue is I hope a thing of the past, the noise from it is not a worry at all now .

What I have is a really fine example of what the Imp Sport engines became?

The car will soon be some fifty three years old, the actual build date being February 3rd 1967 an amazing age for such a car. Imp027
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by 617sqn » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:08 pm

Wow. That's it then. No more posts from Roy then. It's all done. Finished.

Oh well. There are lots of new forum members posting now, so we can look forward to seeing some refurb images and information. 8)

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:32 pm

617sqn wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:08 pm
Wow. That's it then. No more posts from Roy then. It's all done. Finished.

Oh well. There are lots of new forum members posting now, so we can look forward to seeing some refurb images and information. 8)

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Oh Roy's made of stern stuff, he not into packing up and giving in that easily I bet :lol:
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:59 am

617sqn wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:08 pm
Wow. That's it then. No more posts from Roy then. It's all done. Finished.

Oh well. There are lots of new forum members posting now, so we can look forward to seeing some refurb images and information. 8)

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I am not quite finished with this rebuild yet, the cars original export engine still has a set of 0.030" oversized pistons to fit into it, the crank and bearings may well be ok?

Then of course in just 130 miles more I need to change the Shell 20W/50 engine oil and filter on the engine that is now in the car :D

I would like to thank Bob Allan of The Imp Club spares for sourcing the 0.030" sized pistons for me, they are very lightly used and almost like new, the rings I had in stock and are made by Repco.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:50 am

With my small mod to the one side of the rear brakes and by cleaning the Mintex liner dust out, plus cutting a small angle on each leading/trailing edge of the liner, I did the same to the other side yesterday.

A road test showed me that the noise from the nearside rear brake was still there which then took me on to the next possible task to discover what it was and why?

I have narrowed the noise down to either the drive shaft UJ ( greased ) or the wheel bearings?

So off came the drive shaft and I was then able to discover that while the UJ was fine due to the grease, the inner bearing was seizing, its a sealed type so I guess its working life has been passed?

Next is to remove the inner bearing and inspect the condition of that one, I have new replacements for both in stock.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:13 am

The kind of noise that was coming from the rear of the car was mentally narrowed down to a wheel bearing, a process of elimination?

In all my Imp ownership and driving this fault has never happend to me before, It was not a lack of grease as the bearing was a sealed unit.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:00 am

Wheel spacers and more outward wheel offset by wider rims will increase the load on the wheel bearings so if you have bearings a bit worn to start with then spacers etc will soon see them off

Also I think those you have are the wrong type of bearing they should be open inboard not sealed so the grease in the bore reservoir can enter them if required, plus sealed bearings if you remove the seal have hardly any grease in them, remove the inner seals and full pack them with grease and leave the seal off, a seal is only need on the outer expose side.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:27 am

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Wheel spacers and more outward wheel offset by wider rims will increase the load on the wheel bearings so if you have bearings a bit worn to start with then spacers etc will soon see them off

Also I think those you have are the wrong type of bearing they should be open inboard not sealed so the grease in the bore reservoir can enter them if required, plus sealed bearings if you remove the seal have hardly any grease in them, remove the inner seals and full pack them with grease and leave the seal off, a seal is only need on the outer expose side.
Peter, thanks on this advice.

The bearings removed are sealed on both sides and I did wonder about the continued lubrication.

one of new outer bearings is open on the inside, so ok to pack it and allow grease from the hub to enter, the inner bearing choice is closed both sides, or open both sides, I will use that one and then pack the hub with Shell Retina A grease as recomended.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:37 pm

Outer bearings, the red one was on the car, with stainless steel spacers to mimic the correct bearing.

This set up was on the car when I bought it twenty five years back, that bearing is sealed on both sides and is still perfect as far as I can feel when I rotate it.

How long does a sealed bearing last, 20,000 hours, more?
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Post by African Imp » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:40 pm

With the correct bearings Shell Retina A grease and a drive shaft fitted with a new UJ bearing joint I can fit the assemblies tomorrow. :)
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:36 am

When I worked on the nearside rear hub in February 2015 , there was some free play in the hub splines, to overcome that and stop any further wear I used Loctite 648 retaining fluid, the same as is used for bonding 998cc liners into the alloy block.

I will have lubricated the shaft splines to allow removal at a later time.

This time and on removal the hub required a puller to remove it, that was not a super tight bond as was the case with red 271 Loctite, I have just cleaned the hub and splines, the Loctite 648 is still good and the hub is ready to fit again.
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Post by African Imp » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:32 am

As I have a number of genuine Rotoflex rubber couplers I will revert back to fitting those, they are made from softer and more pliable material, can I fit them as WSM141 shows?
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Post by The Nun » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:55 am

Of course you can fit them as the manual states Roy, it's the correct way to stop the spiders cutting into the rubber, it's not necessary to get permission/approval first :D
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Post by African Imp » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:22 am

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Of course you can fit them as the manual states Roy, it's the correct way to stop the spiders cutting into the rubber, it's not necessary to get permission/approval first :D
Yes, please understand that the drive rubbers that I have used for years while they may get a small mark from the spider they never did mark much more, certainally not as much as in the Rotoflex rubber I have posted a picture of.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by Bobbycham » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:25 am

How much time does this car get out on the road,being driven ? It seems to spend a lot of time stripped down.


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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:34 am

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How much time does this car get out on the road,being driven ? It seems to spend a lot of time stripped down.


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Well spotted!

I have owned the car past twenty five years?

In the past ten it was driven rarely but since I bought it back it has been driven more often, in the recent period daily.

So the past and its fifty plus years has caught up with the car?

I have never had the rear suspension off, so while work was done on the rear brakes and the drivers side UJ and I think bearings were changed on that side, very little more has been done to the rear .

Before I bought the car back very little was ever done to the car other than driving it, lack of maintainace then has caught up with both myself and the car, I am ok with this as it was always a work in progress.

This drive shaft is what I might term the last of the larger jobs that have been waiting for me to do, of course others may arrive any day now?

The image is in 2007, I sold the car in 2008, then it was lost for a period of four years.
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How much time does this car get out on the road,being driven ? It seems to spend a lot of time stripped down.


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Post by African Imp » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:16 pm

This sessions jig saw is almost back together, I have the car on its wheels and I have moved the car backwards and forwards under its own power, that was just a test in the garage as I cannot drive the car until the rear brake fluid has been bled, Jean will assist on that one tomorrow.

I failed to get the drive coupler in the position that WSM 141 shows, as in my case there is just no space, its as if my drive shaft on the near side is too long, its at least a quarter of an inch too long and that is when the engine mount is loose and the engine is moved over to the drivers side of the car.

Odd, yes I know.

I did measure various shafts, they are all the same length.
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Post by African Imp » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:20 pm

My orginal plan was to fit the rebuilt and spare drive shaft that was prepared a year or so back, that has no access to the grease hole as its center on the spider, which were the only ones available at the tiem.

Then InfraZA found a farm supply merchant and purchased two UJs with a side grease hole for me, I used one of those, so then I had two drives shafts with new UJs,

Thanks Rob!

The shaft that I used is the lower one.
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Post by The Nun » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:49 pm

Are they 1 " shafts for the Sport spec engine? The normal ones might twist when you put your foot down :?
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Post by African Imp » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:57 pm

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Are they 1 " shafts for the Sport spec engine? The normal ones might twist when you put your foot down :?
i should wish, no standard 7/8" diameter types!
My attempt to fit the coupler with the raised sections against the spiders met with too little space and I had to remove the Rotoflex, turn it round and fit it that way.

The drive shaft spiders both have the sharp edges removed and they are a soft radius now.

Note, the radiator heat shield while it was there, still allowed me enough space to work on the Rotoflex bolts.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by oli » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:28 pm

Behave yourself Peter... :D
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Post by African Imp » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:43 am

New bearings and of the correct pattern just happened to be in stock, I used Shell Oils Retinex A grease to lubricate the bearings with.

The lip seal was supplied by the Imp Clubs Bob Alan.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:24 am

Of the many jigsaws that I have done over the years, this one has gone together with some parts being a tight fit.

Such as to get the nearside Rotflex fitted I need to remove the four bolts from the rear engine mount, then slide the motor towards the drivers side of the engine bay.

That allows enough space to ( just ) fit the nearside Rotflex, I then have to jack the motor back into its normal central position.

Then I have a nearside Rotoflex which looks as I think it should but the offside looks totally straight and not preformed as it would normally be/

What I will do is release the four engine mount bolts and allow the motor to centralise as the nearside Rotoflex will push the motor over?

What the heck is this all about?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:47 am

The shell must be twisted Roy from that bad rear ender try and do some diagonal measures from the floor suspension mounting bolts to the end chassis legs. Do it with plumbobs and string, should give you an idea if it's far out, see theres another project for you to do :D
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:41 am

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The shell must be twisted Roy from that bad rear ender try and do some diagonal measures from the floor suspension mounting bolts to the end chassis legs. Do it with plumbobs and string, should give you an idea if it's far out, see theres another project for you to do :D
Peter,

There is an easier way to check dimensions?

I used my carpenters roofing square, then the concrete floor of the garage and the edge of the rear wing.

The side that is the problem measures 48mm while the other side of the car measures 40mm. :(

Even if we allow for a body width distortion, knowing the amount of space I am short of that 8mm sounds about correct?

The tape is a bit squiff in the picture, the dimension is 48mm.

Can I fix this?

If the rear suspension bushes are trimmed down on the passenger side of the car the entire suspension are will move outwards.

This job should really be done at our local tyre fitment shop where they can put the car on their machine?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by Bobbycham » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:48 am

Haven't we been here before?

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by 617sqn » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:51 am

Yeah. Unbolt the rear crossmember that the arms attach to, whack it with a big hammer so it moves by half the distance ie 4 mm and retighten it.

Or just stop being so critical and leave it alone ?? :roll:

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:55 am

Bobbycham wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:48 am
Haven't we been here before?

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Bob, A similar image possibly and I think to check the wheel camber? this image is for a totally different reason, as it is only today that I have proven reasonably that the nearside suspension arm is closer to the transaxle than the offside one is.
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