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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:55 pm

Dave ' Linwood ' Lane wrote:
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Ive got the proper Churchill tools for removing and refitting this seal - real easy with these :)
Dave, yes I use 2" packaging tape always :)
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Roy could write about fog dust ! :lol:

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

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Roy could write about fog dust ! :lol:

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On the Bay, mate 8)

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:25 am

With the transaxle out I took the option to radius the sharp edge of the drive shaft spiders.
There was a little marking on the drive rubber union but not much.
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Dave ' Linwood ' Lane wrote:
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Ive got the proper Churchill tools for removing and refitting this seal - real easy with these :)
I have never seen one, please post a picture of yours :)
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:21 am

Drive it day :D

Gears work just fine, the box is now as close to silent as I have ever heard, must be the complete change of EP Spirax oil?

Plus there are no leaks!

Just the one drop that stayed on the casing where it was to be seen :D
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:28 am

I do have some oil on the garage floor this morning, I suspect it may be engine oil, I need to put some clear plastic under the car to collect and then smell it to see what kind of oil it is? for sure the kind of oil leak that I had has stopped, possibly I now have the kind of leak that I have been told all Imps have?

The union between the casing where it was split was leak free before I opened it and remains so.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:10 am

Eric Wells, my friend and a long time Hillman Imp owner was here yesterday to check the transaxle progress?

I had mentioned to him the issue of pre load last week and I asked him once more, as in when he changed the syncro baulk rings in his early Mk 1 Imp did he also reset the preload?

He told me no, then added that he had the box out of the car on a Friday and that early on Saturday morning he started to fit the baulk rings and then reassemble the transaxle.

The entire internals were laid out on the work bench, the crown wheel included, when the new parts were refitted to the alloy casing the transaxle went back into the car.

That job was done in the morning and four hours after starting he was driving his Imp again.

The job worked and the transaxle was fine thereafter, he did not reset the preload.

That car was so early that it had the throttle pedal with the air pipe to the Solex carburetor.

Note, the period was when Stanley Motors were assembling the Rootes Car Co cars, Hillman Minx and Hillman Imps etc, all parts were readily available over the counter back then, as Eric said it was a very long time ago :)
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:14 am

Without the preload it will probably be fine initially but you will be more likely to wear out the bearings and diff and pinion faster, also thus, create noise/whine, you had better let Dave Weedon know he's wasting lots of time doing the preloads on the gearboxes he builds otherwise?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:00 am

Yesterday and after a local drive I placed some thick perspex under the leak area, this morning I found evidence of two small drops, it looks like engine oil when the colour is viewed on the engines dip stick.

The blue spots are under the perspex and on the white cloth underneath.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:05 am

The fitment instructions that came with the Hepolite Powermax pistons gave instructions to change the engine oil when 500 miles have been done.

The oil in the white container was the result of removal of an oil cooler pipe yesterday, the oil has now been in service around 280 miles.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by 617sqn » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:14 am

I really think you are far too obsessed with oil drops. For goodness sake, it's a 1960s car using 1960s tolerances and standards. They leak. They ALL leak. You'd need the proper seal and related machining to stop it, and even then it might not. Those 2 drops would be considered a full cure in my garage. :roll:

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:22 am

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I really think you are far too obsessed with oil drops. For goodness sake, it's a 1960s car using 1960s tolerances and standards. They leak. They ALL leak. You'd need the proper seal and related machining to stop it, and even then it might not. Those 2 drops would be considered a full cure in my garage. :roll:

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

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Those 2 drops would be considered a full cure in my garage. :roll:

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:28 am

The spot you show there is what they had on the oil drip trays under the new IMPs in the showroom I doubt you can improve on it without going down the proper B1 block oil seal route
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

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The spot you show there is what they had on the oil drip trays under the new IMPs in the showroom I doubt you can improve on it without going down the proper B1 block oil seal route
Peter, thanks on that info as you are possibly one of the few forum members who can still remember such details?

What is happening now is the engine starts a whole lot nicer and faster, I did away with using the choke some weeks back as the starting started to improve, now the car starts so much easier on the turn of the key, I assume this is the compression becoming better as the piston rings are beding in?

There may be a possible reduction in the leak then, I am fine with the progress now though and at least the oil drips were engine oil and not EP gear oil :)
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Post by 617sqn » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:16 pm

I think you've just been labelled as "old", Peter 😮

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I think you've just been labelled as "old", Peter 😮

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Post by African Imp » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:53 am

A drive in the Sunday afternoon traffic yesterday saw me do about twenty five kilometers, long hills, traffic lights and cars returning home as it was past 4.30 pm, some stop start stuff as well as nice cruising along the coastal road.

The oil leak has it seems stopped ?

I see almost nothing on the perspex this morning :D

This probably explains The Nuns memory of the new Imps when on display at Rootes dealers having drips under the cars from engine oil.

A factory fresh engine would take say 250 miles for the piston rings to bed in and before they did there would be crankcase pressure and the result would be dripping oil?

Note, my trip yesterday has taken the new engine to the 250 miles and a halfway of the Hepolite required running in period.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:28 am

The oil leaks were not only from the crank scroll area, one was the union where the oil cooler pipes join to the sport oil cooler boss.

Rootes used a Dowty washer as the sealing ring, I suspected that one of the lock nuts would be undersized, I was correct ( Rootes supplied?) the repair involved taking a large washer and enlarging the hole to fit over the thread, then the seal could work as it was made to do.

The smaller lock nut that leaked is the lower union in the second picture.
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Post by African Imp » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:38 am

The drive to test out the repaired transaxle seal took me about 27 kms and on a nice easy type main road, when I got to the destination, a bus terminus I was aware of a light scraping sound from the nearside rear wheel, this had happened some weeks back when I suspected it was the drive shaft UJ which was making a small sound until I greased it.

The noise became louder and by the time I got close to home I actually stopped the car to check if the rear wheel was loose in anyway, it was fine.

The next day I drove the car and the noise had gone, I then jacked up the rear wheel on the nearside and removed it, a visual inspection and a rotation of the shaft showed nothing was wrong.

What I did find was that due to my series of heavy braking in an attempt to bed in and heat cycle the new Mintex rear brake linings I could turn the brake adjuster one turn to tighten the linings up to the brake drum more.

I then did the same adjustment to the other side of the car and the offside brake drum.

The result in extra braking and stopping power is quite remarkable and I guess as it should be now?

Having driven the car a few times now, I find that whatever the noise was it has now stopped, had I picked up something which has now fallen off ? Imp027
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Post by The Nun » Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:35 am

Fingers crossed whatever dropped off wasn't needed? :o
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by John Simister » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:06 am

Roy, I think your Imp is conforming perfectly to the third law of Impdom, which is that the majority of miles (or kilometres) covered by an Imp are directly related to activities concerned with enabling an Imp to cover those miles (or kilometres). For reference, the first law of Impdom is that there is always an oil leak somewhere, and the second is that if a newly-bought Imp comes with modifications, then those modifications usually need to be done again properly.

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:23 am

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Roy, I think your Imp is conforming perfectly to the third law of Impdom, which is that the majority of miles (or kilometres) covered by an Imp are directly related to activities concerned with enabling an Imp to cover those miles (or kilometres). For reference, the first law of Impdom is that there is always an oil leak somewhere, and the second is that if a newly-bought Imp comes with modifications, then those modifications usually need to be done again properly.

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PeBergs with his nice red Sunbeam Stiletto penned it well by saying that " It is possible to go back in time " as he has proven with the Imp he has now. Imp027

Right now I have probably got more than I thought could be found out here, it has of course taken some decades to do that !

A question, the Singer Sport has the 107 series cylinder head, was it in anyway inferior to the later 180 series sport cylinder head?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

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John Simister wrote:
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Roy, I think your Imp is conforming perfectly to the third law of Impdom, which is that the majority of miles (or kilometres) covered by an Imp are directly related to activities concerned with enabling an Imp to cover those miles (or kilometres). For reference, the first law of Impdom is that there is always an oil leak somewhere, and the second is that if a newly-bought Imp comes with modifications, then those modifications usually need to be done again properly.

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Post by African Imp » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:54 am

The 107 series sport head has the sport sized valves, I also had a set of bronze guides with seals fitted as well, there is no sign of smoke from the engine, not even when it was first started :)
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Post by The Nun » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:40 am

It's almost as if you were expecting lots of smoke Roy? My sport never smoked until it had 50000 on the clock then just a bit after overrun and that was with the standard 180 head and no seals, I'd very extremely surprised if yours had started to after only 250 miles and with seals as well :o
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It's almost as if you were expecting lots of smoke Roy? My sport never smoked until it had 50000 on the clock then just a bit after overrun and that was with the standard 180 head and no seals, I'd very extremely surprised if yours had started to after only 250 miles and with seals as well :o
I was expecting some sort of smoke when the engine was first started, there was none.

My friend and an ex Imp Club member Eric Wells, had a local engineering shop with years of experiance fit a set of 0.040" pistons into his Imp block, the cylinder head is standard sport 180 series and with the oil drain pipe.

That engine smoked from day one.

I recently fitted an L4 head for him and with a set of valve guides that I had from another head, used but ok, the engine no longer smokes ( much ) :)

At the time I had put the smoke down to a poor engineering job when boring the block for the pistons?
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Eric Wells, had a local engineering shop with years of experiance fit a set of 0.040" pistons into his Imp block, the cylinder head is standard sport 180 series and with the oil drain pipe.

That engine smoked from day one.
Yes but new pistons wont cure smoke if the valve guides are worn no matter how good the pistons are fitted?
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Post by African Imp » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:44 am

My 1966 Singer Chamois Sport cylinder head was fitted with new valve guides and also new valves and timing chain, so for the foreseeable future it will run as a new one?
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Post by African Imp » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:46 am

This job was done back in 2010!
The engine was then fully assembled and was put into storage pending when I would use it and in which car?
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Post by African Imp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:44 am

A compression test done this week shows a marked improvement and in pounds it will be around 180 now, the manual states 180 to 200 pounds so there is a way to go yet?
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A compression test done this week shows a marked improvement and in pounds it will be around 180 now, the manual states 180 to 200 pounds so there is a way to go yet?
It's not gospel that it's going to get to 200 you know?

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Post by African Imp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:30 am

Bobbycham wrote:
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A compression test done this week shows a marked improvement and in pounds it will be around 180 now, the manual states 180 to 200 pounds so there is a way to go yet?
It's not gospel that it's going to get to 200 you know?

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As they say " Time will tell " it started off quite a lot lower, so the miles run have bedded the piston rings in, Hepolite say the running in period is 500 miles, I am only half way past that right now.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:28 am

Head gaskets blows at 201 though 🤭
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Head gaskets blows at 201 though 🤭
There's always someone!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:
You'll have him tossing and turning in bed now ,worrying.
Dreaming of taking head off to replace gasket .
NO that was last week.

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:lol: You guys ! :lol:

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Post by African Imp » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:39 am

I have discovered a method to get more power from the engine :D
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