A Californian drying out in South Africa

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The servo wont make the brakes any better it just means you don't have to press the pedal so hard to achieve the same braking effect, the Imp servo is 2:1 I think so you need half the pressure youre currently using, which is handy if you've got a gammy leg and it aches easily, and if you change the 0.7 master for a 0.625 that's a other 20% less pedal, you'd be almost stopping without touching the pedal πŸ˜„, you may make it too sensitive and easier to lock up as there's not much weight on the front with your size 12 Doc Martens,?

You can also servo assist the clutch hydraulics too to halve the pedal pressure required again handy if you're invalided then you'd need an extra servo of course?

Another project?
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The Nun wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:03 pm The servo wont make the brakes any better it just means you don't have to press the pedal so hard to achieve the same braking effect, the Imp servo is 2:1 I think so you need half the pressure youre currently using, which is handy if you've got a gammy leg and it aches easily, and if you change the 0.7 master for a 0.625 that's a other 20% less pedal, you'd be almost stopping without touching the pedal πŸ˜„, you may make it too sensitive and easier to lock up as there's not much weight on the front with your size 12 Doc Martens,?

You can also servo assist the clutch hydraulics too to halve the pedal pressure required again handy if you're invalided then you'd need an extra servo of course?

Another project?
Thanks on your advice, yes I do have size ten shoes!

This is still a tempting job to tackle, at the moment I have a few persons asking about buying that Girling servo, so I will leave this alone for a while.
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I saw yesterday that the Imp Californian had a long list of extras that could be added to your original and new purchase.

Surprise to me was the brake servo and a fabric opening sunshine roof!

I had one fitted here to my second Sunbeam Stiletto, very nice too.

It was a Webasto and fitted by the agents just off Somerset Road, Green Point, Jimmys Trim shop.
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Roy, if you take a break from the garage, and fix the house, you will be able to spend as long as you like in the garage afterwards :D

The servo would not really give you much of a performance increase - it is more of a convenience kind of thing - like power steering. It just does the work for you so you don't have to press the pedal so hard to get the performance. The trade off is that you generally get less feel for how the brakes are working. I would imagine that currently you have a harder pedal than you should without the servo using the 0.7" master.
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oli wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:47 pm Roy, if you take a break from the garage, and fix the house, you will be able to spend as long as you like in the garage afterwards :D

The servo would not really give you much of a performance increase - it is more of a convenience kind of thing - like power steering. It just does the work for you so you don't have to press the pedal so hard to get the performance. The trade off is that you generally get less feel for how the brakes are working. I would imagine that currently you have a harder pedal than you should without the servo using the 0.7" master.
I have the 0.70 master cylinder. :)
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He knows that. You need a smaller one.

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African Imp wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:55 am I saw yesterday that the Imp Californian had a long list of extras that could be added to your original and new purchase.

Surprise to me was the brake servo and a fabric opening sunshine roof!
Sunshine roof next then Roy, you need it there, or have a white painted roof? That's been done before, so it keeps the roof cooler in the hot sun? I don't remember a sun roof being offered as a factory fit option here, maybe a hot country thing?
Fabric ones were OK when new but soon start leaking as the material and seal ages and you can't get the new parts to fix them now either.

You could have a servo assisted open sunshine roof πŸ˜„ both my 205 Gti's had vacuum sealed sunroofs worked from the engine vacuum
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My other pastime is rebuilding engines, this one is a Perkins 4107 marine diesel which has around 47 hp, it depends on the speed rating of the vessel?

The quality of the internal parts has to be seen to be believed, Perkins produced around 500,000 of those engines and parts are still available and not at all expensive either.

I had just fitted the stainless trims to the rear window, what a job that was!
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It's crying out for the painted trims on the side rear windows too.

The engines in pink desert camouflage?
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The Nun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 2:03 pm It's crying out for the painted trims on the side rear windows too.

The engines in pink desert camouflage?
That was really a beige twin pack etch primer, as I took the entire motor down to bare steel, the original green went back on but blue was also a Perkins color. This was 2017, the Perkins is running, super clean, it had new rings fitted and the pump and injectors serviced ( at great cost )

I had decided not to fit the Californians alloy trims again and used the Stiletto twin white lines later on.
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I was going through some old CDs, lots of images, this one caught my eye as the brake master cylinder is a 0.70" sized one, so suitable for cars with disc brakes?

The peddle box is from the 1967 Hillman Imp Californian, I have to assume that when refitting the car I fitted two 0.625" cylinders, as later on I then fitted the 0.70" brake cylinder to suit the Ford Fiesta front disc brakes.

Did the Californian come out with the 0.70" brake cylinder, I have to assume yes?
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No it didn't, only cars factory fitted with servo had the 0.7" the rest had 0.625
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The Nun wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:37 am No it didn't, only cars factory fitted with servo had the 0.7" the rest had 0.625
Thanks, I did read that very early Imps had the 0.70" cylinder, so this one was changed in a service and some time before the car came into my ownership? Imp027
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What happens to brake pedal pressure if a 0.75" cylinder is used?

This one that I have is new old stock.
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Even less pedal travel.
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oli wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:14 am Even less pedal travel.
Thanks, that is what I was thinking ?

There was certainally a big difference between the 0.625" cylinder and the 0.70" cylinder, so perhaps this one makes it even better?
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You will have less pedal travel but another 15% more pedal pressure is required to what you have now for the same stopping power, you only need that one if your pedal travel now isn't sufficient to shift the volume of fluid needed before the pedal gets too low, bigger bore cylinders say or multi pot calipers? You will then definitely need a servo or bigger boots πŸ˜„
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The Nun wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:18 am You will have less pedal travel but another 15% more pedal pressure is required to what you have now for the same stopping power, you only need that one if your pedal travel now isn't sufficient to shift the volume of fluid needed before the pedal gets too low, bigger bore cylinders say or multi pot calipers? You will then definitely need a servo or bigger boots πŸ˜„
Ok, case closed, all very good information from you guys, I think I stay with what I have but as a matter of interest, where would the suction pipe exit?
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Its not "case closed" if you continue with the subject is it ? :lol:

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The 3/8" dia vacuum pipe runs along the drivers side (offside UK) bottom edge of the tunnel retained by P clips, at the front it goes behind the steering rack mounting plate and follows the fuel pipe and emerges right next to it through a hole of its own, only front mounted servos have this hole in the floor, the pipe protrudes though that hole about 40mm where a rubber hose is attached and that goes up to the servo.

At the rear it follows the fuel pipe again above the rear suspension cross member goes upwards about 12" and stops just before the vertical engine shield where a rubber hose is attached and that goes through the vertical shield and connect to the inlet manifold in the normal place.
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But I've told you this in the past Roy, you even had a photo before.
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Uncle Henry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:26 am Its not "case closed" if you continue with the subject is it ? :lol:

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Just a matter of interest as the rear looks easy enough, dropping the front suspensions will not be hard as Ive had it off about ten years back?
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Uncle Henry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:26 am Its not "case closed" if you continue with the subject is it ? :lol:

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It's easy if you want to drop the front suspension yes, but not if you don't.

You don't necessarily have to have the vacuum pipe above the front suspension following the fuel pipe, (only if you want it factory spec using the original pipe), you could bring a new pipe out of the tunnel and around the edge of the suspension plate and generally follow the clutch pipe route and enter the boot on the nearside with the clutch pipe, that would mean you didn't have to remove the suspension.
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Which is why I used a flexible hose in the first place... :roll:

Peter, some people just seem to like to make things more difficult than they really are... :lol:
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The Nun wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:07 am It's easy if you want to drop the front suspension yes, but not if you don't.

You don't necessarily have to have the vacuum pipe above the front suspension following the fuel pipe, (only if you want it factory spec using the original pipe), you could bring a new pipe out of the tunnel and around the edge of the suspension plate and generally follow the clutch pipe route and enter the boot on the nearside with the clutch pipe, that would mean you didn't have to remove the suspension.
Thanks, its all being memorised!
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I discovered the original CD and pictures of the brass shims to the gear shift long shaft tube.
There were new plastic bushes but the wear on the tube required removal.

This was back in August 28th 2014.
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oli wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:18 am Which is why I used a flexible hose in the first place... :roll:

Peter, some people just seem to like to make things more difficult than they really are... :lol:
Yes maybe it's about the challenge, don't do it like everyone else would do it, no doubt some would gold plate the pipe too and others would leave it rusty, it's how your OCD works in your brain πŸ˜„
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Has anyone got any experience with the Aldon kit?

I asked as this one was gifted to me and as new, I could not get it to work!
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Maybe it was a duff one, it's very easy to blow the unit if you mistakingly connect it up backwards which is easily done on the Imp where the car could be positive or negative earthed?
Blow it, put it back in the box and move it on as a brand new unused unit then when the new owner finds it doesn't work they ask on the forum why doesnt this work. 🫒

You need to check the unit is actually working first before fitting it just incase its faulty.
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The Nun wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:00 am Maybe it was a duff one, it's very easy to blow the unit if you mistakingly connect it up backwards which is easily done on the Imp where the car could be positive or negative earthed?
Blow it, put it back in the box and move it on as a brand new unused unit then when the new owner finds it doesn't work they ask on the forum why doesnt this work. 🫒

You need to check the unit is actually working first before fitting it just incase its faulty.
How do I check to see its working without trying it out in a distributor?
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Its a few year back now, was it in 2016 that I sent the car off to the trimmer?

They made a great job too, I asked that they try and replicate the original patterns and design layouts, I supplied them with all the artwork that I could find, plus a set of seats from the 1966 Singer Chamois Sport that I had to get panel widths from ( not panel layout )

The ribbed rubber covering on the fold down seat backs and the parcel area was changed for black carpet as it looks better? Imp027
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The results were top class, I was super happy with the works done and standard of finish, they re covered the 14" Mountney leather steering wheel with Nappa leather also.
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it's very easy to blow the unit if you mistakingly connect it up backwards
Poor show by the manufacturer then, who could have added a couple of diodes to this and prevented the potential to wreck it !!

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Uncle Henry wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:57 am
it's very easy to blow the unit if you mistakingly connect it up backwards
Poor show by the manufacturer then, who could have added a couple of diodes to this and prevented the potential to wreck it !!

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Maybe they did and the diodes blown that's why it doesn't work? πŸ˜ƒ
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Uncle Henry wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:57 am
it's very easy to blow the unit if you mistakingly connect it up backwards
Poor show by the manufacturer then, who could have added a couple of diodes to this and prevented the potential to wreck it !!

AG
I will see if I can send them an email and discuss the issue?

The number on the box is LU-142A, does that relate to manufacture or a suitability for the Lucas distributor?

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Good Morning,

Some time back I was gifted with an Aldon LU-142A ignitor, it was said to be new, my friend who gave it to me was leaving the country so passed it on to me.

I have tried twice to get it to work, the last time being March 2017, this was on my 1967 Hillman Imp Californian.

The engine is in very good condition and has two earth straps fitted, the distributor is a Lucas 25D type, using Lucas points.

The unit with a red and black wire on it is marked Lot # 21AF NV5, can it be tested with a multi meter?

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My Mountney steering wheel is about thirty years old, it was bought for my 1975 Reliant Scimitar SE5a GTE, when that was sold after eleven years of ownership, the wheel went on to Jeans 1967 Chamois Imp, then to the Californian as the Chamois was sold.

Its a fourteen inch diameter which I find to be perfect for me, the cost to recover was around R1900 , not a small amount of money but it does take one man a day to do the job.
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Uncle Henry wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:57 am
it's very easy to blow the unit if you mistakingly connect it up backwards
Poor show by the manufacturer then, who could have added a couple of diodes to this and prevented the potential to wreck it !!

AG
To be fair not difficult to get red to positive and black to negative as per the instructions. It is the same as connecting a battery, if you cannot work that out should you really be working on your own car ?
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Mike

The Lumenition Magnetronic module you pointed me to performed flawlessly on both cars and thats now nearly 4k miles in each of mostly motorway driving.

Only issue was the plate needs modified as the pillar which hold the spring pivot is too long and you cant fit the module until you crop it.

I put in the 2 plastic bodied "points replacment" I had in my dump bin and ran the car for 10 minuites 4k rpm.

The plastic bodied ones were substantially hotter but isolated to the module almost, the magnetronic one ran cooler but the mounting plate shared the same temp almost. I wish I had kept the FLIR images as it spoke volumes especially at higher revs/duty cycle.

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moose wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:09 am
Uncle Henry wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:57 am
it's very easy to blow the unit if you mistakingly connect it up backwards
Poor show by the manufacturer then, who could have added a couple of diodes to this and prevented the potential to wreck it !!

AG
To be fair not difficult to get red to positive and black to negative as per the instructions. It is the same as connecting a battery, if you cannot work that out should you really be working on your own car ?
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Please find attached some fitting instructions which have some test procedures.

If these do not solve your problem please contact us again and we will get our technician to see if he can help.

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Well I really cannot complain about the after sales service from Aldon?
The info they have given is in a Word document and was also with the kit I have, the series of tests they mention may give me a clue as to whats wrong?
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