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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by moose » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:55 am

The 45D in your picture is a late imp one with the awful wedge in baseplate.

The plug leads i manufacture are 50 ohms or less.
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Post by African Imp » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:36 am

moose wrote:
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The 45D in your picture is a late imp one with the awful wedge in baseplate.

The plug leads i manufacture are 50 ohms or less.
Thanks, I see it as a project, it has now been cleaned, I can reassemble it to understand the ' wedge ' term which I have read about before.

I will test the ohms on the blue HT cables, also the copper core HT cables on the Californians engine.

The copper core cable without a cap with a resitor read zero, the core on the blue cables by Commercial Ignition 8.8 ohms, the copper cable with an NGK cap reads 10.6 to 11 ohms.
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Post by African Imp » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:36 am

So I now own a Lucas 45D4 distributor that is dated 0874, not that I ever intend using it but my understanding of the item has grown.

I assume the term " Wedge fit " is how the internal base plate fits? it is in effect a loose item.

The center shaft can be moved by hand, so the bush needs replacing, is there a bush or did they save money by running the shaft in the alloy that makes the body ?
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 pm

if its the wedge / self tapping screw effort youd be better off throwing it in the bin
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:32 pm

Dave ' Linwood ' Lane wrote:
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if its the wedge / self tapping screw effort youd be better off throwing it in the bin
I did find a spare self tapper screw in the bag of parts, where does that fit?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by moose » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:32 pm

in the slot in the baseplate.
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Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:23 am

The engines reluctance to go past around 5800 rpm continues to remain a mystery.

I have changed everything excepting the AC petrol pump which was chacked to see if there was a good supply, visually there was.

Next I will swop the AC pump for another brand, made in Italy so like Ferrari should be well made?

The body is marked GP Torino, what does GP stand for?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by 617sqn » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:31 am

Grotty Product ?

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 am

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for another brand, made in Italy so like Ferrari should be well made?

The body is marked GP Torino, what does GP stand for?
Italian doesnt always means Ferrari though as they made Fiat Pandas as well, :? and the GP brand isnt known to me but they did sell pumps for the Peugeot Talbot cars under Torino name.
You can bet GP is most likely General Purpose though rather than Grand Prix in this case?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:01 am

moose wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:32 pm
in the slot in the baseplate.
Thanks, I found the slot and evidence of a screw, I have now fitted the screw and the unit can now be a display item?

There may not be many of this type of distributor in the RSA, not on an Imp anyway?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:05 am

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Grotty Product ?

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Yes and no, there is no internal filter, so no top cover to leak, there is an inline filter anyway.

The nuts are a lot easier to access and a ring spanner can be used easily, so fitting was faster.

It is not a direct fit, the mount holes required opening a tap to allow the base to slide over the studs, it went on fine then.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:12 am

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and the unit can now be a display item?
Are you starting up an RSA IMP museum? :D
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Post by 617sqn » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:22 pm

Does that non-standard pump have enough throw to give you enough fuel at max revs ? How does its dimensions compare to a proper one ? 🤔

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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:04 pm

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Does that non-standard pump have enough throw to give you enough fuel at max revs ? How does its dimensions compare to a proper one ? 🤔

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I think The Imp Club was selling them, those or similar? I did have to open the mount holes a very small amount, as they were the thread section went into the holes in the pump but ten hung up on the none threaded part of the stud, fits fine now.

A road test showed it worked just as well as the AC type, I still find a flat spot happening at 5800 rpm though, so no progess today in that direction. :(

I am good with the change of brand as it is an easier petrol pump to remove and refit, with no removable top cap it can be said to be safer also?

We can see the one hex nut, it is easy to access, as is the one on the otherside which with the AC pump can be quite hard to get a spanner on, with this pump both nuts accept a ring spanner with ease.
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:44 pm

The Nun wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:12 am
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and the unit can now be a display item?
Are you starting up an RSA IMP museum? :D
If it happens I may end up as a main exhibit? :D Imp027
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:50 am

The fact that I cannot attain full revs from the engine, say 6100 rpm is now seeming to be fuel related, well a lack of it at higher engine speeds?

This would not be a lack of fuel pump supply, rather a shortage of petrol in the fuel bowl?

Before I fitted the heat shield over the silencer I could remove the silencer and when the Strombergs fuel bowls were removed, inspection of the float levels could be done, I could also remove and check the float needles.

This is no lonnger an option, as it is probably easier and faster to remove the two Strombergs than work from the bottom.

One check that I have not tried is to try to reach 6100 rpm with the engine running and the car parked and out of gear, it will be worth the try? Imp027
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

Post by The Nun » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:33 am

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One check that I have not tried is to try to reach 6100 rpm with the engine running and the car parked and out of gear, it will be worth the try? Imp027
No! I wouldnt myself ever run the engine up to 6100 free revving under no load, you could be asking for more trouble then it cures doing that? :? And besides a free running engine and one under load theres a lot of difference when the engines pulling under load.

Its bad enough when you hear them revving a diesel up to 3000 for the MOT smoke test Im sure that doesnt do them much good either?
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Post by 617sqn » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:59 am

Me neither. I'm intrigued to know how you measure the float level just by removing the float bowl when the carbs are still fitted to the car ! :o I'd suggest that its not possible to get an accurate measurement ! For goodness sake. Take them off and do it upside down.

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Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:14 am

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One check that I have not tried is to try to reach 6100 rpm with the engine running and the car parked and out of gear, it will be worth the try? Imp027
No! I wouldnt myself ever run the engine up to 6100 free revving under no load, you could be asking for more trouble then it cures doing that? :? And besides a free running engine and one under load theres a lot of difference when the engines pulling under load.

Its bad enough when you hear them revving a diesel up to 3000 for the MOT smoke test Im sure that doesnt do them much good either?
Peter, advice taken, one of my not so good ideas, I expect I would have chickened out before 6100 rpm was reached?
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Re: A Californian drying out in South Africa

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617sqn wrote:
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Me neither. I'm intrigued to know how you measure the float level just by removing the float bowl when the carbs are still fitted to the car ! :o I'd suggest that its not possible to get an accurate measurement ! For goodness sake. Take them off and do it upside down.

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Ive done it once on my sport when it decided to start flooding badly on the rear carb when I was away from home and it was a get me home jobby, I pulled off the float chamber from under the car, fitted a new needle valve which I happened to have in my toolbox, and just lifted the float up with my fingers to shut the valve and using a 16mm piece of card from fag packet to check the float was about right got me going again and it stayed like that for ages. of course if you want it spot on best do it on the bench with the carbs upside down, but when you read the manuals the dimension quotes from one to another seems vary, some say 16mm some say 17mm so it doesnt appear to need to be micrometer accurate anyway, the fag packet will do, Capstan full strength :lol:
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Post by 617sqn » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:53 am

Yeah, but that was an extreme situation. On the bench, you have the weight of the floats acting on the valve and set it accordingly. Holding it up when upside down is a bit hit and miss. And I trust you'd put your fag out before commencing :lol: :lol:

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. And I trust you'd put your fag out before commencing :lol: :lol:

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No Andy that was back in the days when you didn't consider that along with no hard hat, safety glasses and reflective jacket nothing ever seemed to happen, you're young and you never think about such hazards, just do it. :D
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Post by 617sqn » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:50 am

Ah, I remember it well : riding my Lambretta in the summer months with only a T-shirt and shorts on. And no crash hat either, of course ! And I probably had a fag in my mouth too :lol:

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Post by African Imp » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:14 pm

Peter, Andy, back in those days and for me circa 1972 we were allowed to race a full blown 998cc engined race Imp and without a roll cage, I did wear a full harness and a crash helmet mind you :D

Entering Quarry Bend, Killarney race circuit near Cape Town, RSA.

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Post by The Nun » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:04 pm

Not forgetting now of course to write out your risk assessment first and by the time you've done that it's started to rain so you pack up for the day and go home only to have to go through it all again tomorrow. :?
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Post by African Imp » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:12 am

The Imps Cabin Light should have a six watt x 12 volt festoon bulb, I tried an LED type, which lasted a year or so, then the only ones I had were ten watt, too strong I guess and melted plastic could be expected if I left the door open to long?

I :) have since found a five watt bulb which seems just fine. :)

The cabin image shows me that I have a loose green coated wire under the dash, I will tie it back and out of sight, it feeds the rev counter :)

The Mountney steering wheel was first used on my 1975 Reliant Scimitar GTE SE5a, the size is 14" and suits the Imp well, splines on both cars are the same, Ford Escort as well I think?
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Post by The Nun » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:43 am

It would be quite simple to fit a dash switch so you can turn the light on yourself then if it's not needed such as in daylight it just stays off?
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Post by African Imp » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:53 am

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It would be quite simple to fit a dash switch so you can turn the light on yourself then if it's not needed such as in daylight it just stays off?
Not such a bad idea? it would also give me reason to use the period style three knob switch set that I have?

What would the letter F stand for, Fog Lights?
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Post by paulchin » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:15 am

??? surely that's what the slider bar in the light assembly is for though, no?

Back in the days when I actually had an Imp :roll: mine never worked, but in principle you can disable the light even though the doors are open - much like a modern car.
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??? surely that's what the slider bar in the light assembly is for though, no?

Back in the days when I actually had an Imp :roll: mine never worked, but in principle you can disable the light even though the doors are open - much like a modern car.
The interior light was either slide one way, for door operated, or slide the other for on all the time, there was no off position which is a bit of a nuisance when working on the car with the door open unless you removed the bulb, which then you couldnt find again when you wanted to put it back :lol:
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??? surely that's what the slider bar in the light assembly is for though, no?

Back in the days when I actually had an Imp :roll: mine never worked, but in principle you can disable the light even though the doors are open - much like a modern car.
The interior light was either slide one way, for door operated, or slide the other for on all the time, there was no off position which is a bit of a nuisance when working on the car with the door open unless you removed the bulb, which then you couldnt find again when you wanted to put it back :lol:
Yes, I have just checked, it is always on with the door open, or when the door is closed it will be on when the slider is moved to the correct side.
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What would the letter F stand for, Fog Lights?
Maybe or electric cooling Fan?
or Front screen?
or Fuel pump?
or Fuel reserve?
or Fast when you engage the hyperdrive? 8)
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Post by The Nun » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:18 am

Im sure Noddy must have an interior light "override off switch" in his cars?, if not is another project for him to do this winter :lol:

If you do it now Roy you might beat him to it?? 8)
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Im sure Noddy must have an interior light "override off switch" in his cars?, if not is another project for him to do this winter :lol:

If you do it now Roy you might beat him to it?? 8)
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The Nun wrote:
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paulchin wrote:
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??? surely that's what the slider bar in the light assembly is for though, no?

Back in the days when I actually had an Imp :roll: mine never worked, but in principle you can disable the light even though the doors are open - much like a modern car.
The interior light was either slide one way, for door operated, or slide the other for on all the time, there was no off position which is a bit of a nuisance when working on the car with the door open unless you removed the bulb, which then you couldnt find again when you wanted to put it back :lol:
Of course - as mine never worked, I didn't realise it was only these two options it gave you! Sorry Peter - I should have trusted your abundant Imp knowledge... :oops:
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Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:58 am

Less is more?

In this case fitting an original style Imps heater valve, it is not a new one but looks to be in an ok condition.

It has taken some four years or more to find this valve , it was a nice gift for sure. :)

I did manage to fit one from the VW Golf, it worked but was a bit of an effort to fit to the correct position, I was able to use the existing mount holes though.

Grahame Pearson says the London taxi one works well, I am told so does the Landrover one, does anyone have a picture of either of them for me?
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Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:22 am

The Landrover Defender, is this the Heater Valve?
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Post by African Imp » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:44 am

This version of a London Taxi heater valve does look like it will be easy to install?
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Post by The Nun » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:03 am

Ive got the taxi one on mine, its a lot better designed and quality than the old IMP original, you have to come up with a bracket to mount it on then use the original IMP fixing point on the bulkhead. They are only 16 pounds or so on ebay, but of course getting to you there will probably add another 50, then will it get there? :?
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Post by African Imp » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:07 am

Has anyone ever wondered why Zenith Stromberg used a hex head size for the Stromberg CD 125 fuel bowl valve that is neither a 1/2" or 9/16" size, it is someplace in betweeen?

While servicing a spare set yesterday I found that the Herbrand make Tappet spanner which has one end sized to 17/32" is exactly the correct size !

A nice spanner and as the other end is sized to 7/16" is now a very handy tool to own.

Its a good one to keep an eye open for at those auto jumbles?
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