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Post by chris d » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:20 pm

time to unvail the new project
as title says imp deluxe. very low mileage documented 16,600 miles.
been off the road since 1990.
all original panels, not been welded.
engine starts and runs, no rattles or leaks.
very good condition interior. beige.
now the paint.
pinewood metalic and surface rust.
a previous owner sanded what i presume were paint inperfections/rust of every panel down to bare metal.
he also cut a small hole in one cill to patch.(that was left also)
the battery has leaked and rotted the tray inner and outer lower wing
then it was left (why ,i dont know).
the bonnet edge has had a repair but will need sorting.
it changed owners a couple of times then i got it.
i was going to just mot it and use it as a daily through summer but
after talking with dale and peter last night ive decided to do a full bare metal resto.
so here we go again,lots of swearing and late nights,and possibly tears.
have a look at the photos and give me your words of wisdom etc
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Post by bazzateer » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:44 pm

Finish Gladys first!
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Post by sammy the sturgeon » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:19 am

bazzateer wrote:Finish Gladys first!
He'd better not- GLAddis is MINE!!!!!
lol
looks like fun Chris,


Now a name- If it's a boy then it has to be some cricket legend from the first part of the reg (LBW)
If Its a girl then it has to be SIAN ( 514N --- I believe pronounced Shaan- the Wlsh Version of Jane) - Second part of the reg!
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Post by bazzateer » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:42 am

sammy the sturgeon wrote:
bazzateer wrote:Finish Gladys first!
He'd better not- GLAddis is MINE!!!!!
Doh! Tiredness to blame!
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Post by Grahame59 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:51 am

Looks a nice project. Nice reg no too - if you are into cricket!
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Post by kilty » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:54 am

A similar story to my Polar White Deluxe, and same year. The paint on mine has fared better but with all original panels and zero rot to worry about. It gets painted end of April.

All the best. Painting makes sense. It won't stay like it is now forever.
As for giving cars names and calling them He or She, :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:01 pm

Cool project, Chris. :D I agree - "Sian" would be a good name. Or maybe "Ian" - after Ian Botham? A cricketer one or two may have heard of. :wink: LBW, see.

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Post by The Nun » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:17 pm

ImpManiac wrote:Or maybe "Ian" - after Ian Botham? A cricketer one or two may have heard of. :wink: LBW, see.

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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:32 pm

Yep.

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The Nun wrote:
ImpManiac wrote:Or maybe "Ian" - after Ian Botham? A cricketer one or two may have heard of. :wink: LBW, see.

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Post by imp.sport » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:42 pm

ImpManiac wrote:Cool project, Chris. :D I agree - "Sian" would be a good name. Or maybe "Ian" - after Ian Botham? A cricketer one or two may have heard of. :wink: LBW, see.

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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:39 pm

^^ Yep. That works. :mrgreen:

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Post by chris d » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:08 pm

cheers for the comments guys
i live opposite a cricket ground (you can spot my house by the broken windows and missing roof tiles)
liam botham played a few years ago. (beefies son) club went down that year.
will decide on a name later (keep the suggestions coming)
can anybody recommend a good strong paint stripper for metalic paint.
nitromors will not touch it and da sanding is going to take ages and the mess will be horrendous
will sort some update pics soon
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Post by cov_climax » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:05 am

try a proper auto paint suppliers for paint strippers (the non eco type that actually work), also give if a scuff over with a 60 grit disc in the DA, it will get the stripper a head start at biting through the paint. i was told you can use newspaper over the paint stripper once applied to stop it drying out so quickly, this allows it longer to react,

the bits i've done seemed to be poor on the first application, but second and third go were much better, you can give it a while and if nothing doing lightly score the paint with a sharp stanley knife.

if all else fails a DA with a 40 or 60grit disc will get paint and filler off in no time

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Post by chris d » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:18 am

cheers brian
ive used 40 grit on half the engine lid and took 2 hours.
but will try your tip with the newspaper.
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Post by basil imp » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:54 pm

chris d wrote:cheers brian
ive used 40 grit on half the engine lid and took 2 hours.
but will try your tip with the newspaper.
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Post by chris d » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:48 pm

ok decided not sand or use paint stripper.
the car is going to get the oven treatment,,
just like stella.
so the complete strip down commences,
started with the interior seats/belts trim etc.
so far ive removed 12 bags of sound dedening from the rear inner wings.
the cardboard pieces that go over the rear wheelarches are not covered in fabric but appear to be painted :!: :!: :!:
working all easter so next wednesday weather permitting more progress.
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Post by impmann » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:59 am

Isn't amazing how they scrimped on paint in the late 70s... there's no top coat under that back seat area at all!

In the pic, Chris, it looks like the panel under the back window has some surface rust (at least) in it. Catch that quick, buddy, as on late cars (and some early ones) that can rot through and its not a very easy fix to do it properly.

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Post by kilty » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:46 pm

I think they were onto the last tin of Lincoln Green by that time! :)
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Post by chris d » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:31 pm

not a lot done today, under the weather with manflu and aching back.
managed to finishing removing the interior.
then started on the front lights etc
fuel tank is full so sues modern is having that other the next couple of weeks.
tomorrow if my body holds together im going to remove the engine and transaxle.
when my imp came off the production line in 75 what brand of tyre would it have
the spare with the car is a firestone 12/155 and still has the nobbly bits of rubber on the tread (never been used)
also what is the paint code or name for the standard steel wheels white/cream paint.
kilty the colour is pinewood metalic not lincoln green (i thought it was lincoln until i checked the plate)
tim all the rust will be sorted once it is stripped and sent to the oven.(just like stella)
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Post by stilettohusky » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:49 pm

Hi Chris, the oven route is the best idea, think you would loose the will to live trying to remove all the paint and surface rust with the DA sander.
may call round tomorrow and have a look see. Had the Stiletto down at B & K today for MOT passed OK with no problems.
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:53 pm

Early wheels were originally painted Foam Grey the same colour as my Chammy , not sure on later cars .
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Post by The Nun » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:08 pm

chris d wrote: when my imp came off the production line in 75 what brand of tyre would it have
the spare with the car is a firestone 12/155 and still has the nobbly bits of rubber on the tread (never been used)
Yes those tyres are correct, mine had those on it when I bought it new in 75
And the rim paint colour would be Foam Grey I guess, always thought it was Polar White but when you see the colours side by side it has a definite grey blueish tint to it, where as Polar is more creamy.
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Post by Cally » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:24 pm

Tyres are correct , the same as my Caledonian came on

Still have original spare and tyre from the Caledonian in store here if you want to do a comparison
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Post by sammy the sturgeon » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:32 pm

Foam grey mate
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though I think mine may be a little dark!
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Post by kilty » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:41 am

chris d wrote: kilty the colour is pinewood metalic not lincoln green (i thought it was lincoln until i checked the plate)
Well I never..... :o
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Post by The Nun » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:52 am

sammy the sturgeon wrote:Foam grey mate
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though I think mine may be a little dark!
It will be a great shame to scratch the wheel nut seats putting the wheel on.
And just wait until the ATS man clobbers it with his mallet putting the balance weight on. :roll:
And the original finish was nothing like that, just a quick wave passing with the spray gun, :D
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Post by chris d » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:38 pm

thanks for the confirmation regarding the tyres and wheel colour.
paul have you any left :lol: :lol:
and a brush to put it on with :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
now i didnt manage to remove the engine etc body still aching and manflu not much better
but its all loose ready for my next day of.
graham called round and gave me a kick up the backside to spur me on.
need to get a move on, have to sort stella out for coventry only 4 weeks
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Post by sammy the sturgeon » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:29 pm

The Nun wrote:It will be a great shame to scratch the wheel nut seats putting the wheel on.
Why...... I'm not going to tighten them :lol: :lol:
The Nun wrote:And just wait until the ATS man clobbers it with his mallet putting the balance weight on. :roll:
I'll be fitting the tyres and balance weights- with a rubber toffee hammer!! :lol: :lol:
The Nun wrote:And the original finish was nothing like that, just a quick wave passing with the spray gun, :D
Yeah but all the original ones are rusty now! :lol: :lol: :lol:
chris d wrote: paul have you any left :lol: :lol:
Uncle John could get you some mixed up!

chris d wrote: and a brush to put it on with :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think the word is 'heathen' and in a sentence it would be -you Bl00dy heathen you.


Keep it up chris - will you take loads of pictures of 'cooking the shell' as I'm really curious,
I know you described it to me, but pics are good, would be interested in the cooked finish and what debris it leaves behind and the pro's and con's in relation to dipping, media blasting etc.
In principle it seems like a really good idea and a very effective alternative to the other types of stripping
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Post by james » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:21 pm

sammy the sturgeon wrote:I'll be fitting the tyres and balance weights- with a rubber toffee hammer!! :lol:
Stick-on weights? :wink:
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Post by chris d » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:45 pm

good day today
engine/trans out
radiator out
glass out
trim removed from rear window
fuel tank drained and removed
doors off
still feeling under the weather with flu but got to crack on.
paul will get some pics of the oven treatment (will ring you tomorrow if i remember)
also decided to call her Libby
after the latest grandchild (first girl after 4 boys)
she is small and perfectly formed just like an imp
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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:56 pm

^^ Lots of progress! Excellent! :D

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Post by chris d » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:41 pm

update time
after a great national, time to get cracking with libby
she is now a rolling shell.
after talking with the oven chap and fainting at the price (gone up 4 fold).
started to manually sand the bonnet side to see the condition under the paint,
the rust patches are quite deep and there a 4 layers of paint
so making enquiries about soda blasting tomorrow (if they answer the phone)
picture below of bonnet side,took 3 hours with 60 grit sand paper and nitromorse covered with paper.
will loose the will to live if I have to sand the whole car, lets hope the blaster is cheap.
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Post by kilty » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:47 pm

About 2 years ago I was quoted £600 to sodablast a bare Imp shell, but the soda won`t remove that rust, they will have to up the media to aluminium oxide or similar for that. That didn`t include getting it there or back home. I`ve since bought my own kit.
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Post by basil imp » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:55 pm

Those soda blasting kits seem hideously slow. There's a video somewhere of them blasting a Jensen and it took ages. I find I'm better off using aluminium silicate, strips quickly, removes rust (soda doesn't 100%) and reusable (soda turns to dust)
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Post by kilty » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:35 pm

Well like I said I have the kit, I might end up blasting tattie peelings out of it in the end mate. :wink:
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Post by basil imp » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:27 pm

kilty wrote:Well like I said I have the kit, I might end up blasting tattie peelings out of it in the end mate. :wink:
I've used mine with blasting media they work well (just need a tungsten carbide tip)
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Post by stilettohusky » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:42 pm

Hi Chris,was in Calverley today if I thought you were home I would have called round. Soda blasting would be a waste of time and money, shot blasting is the answer.. Had bubble car shell shot blasted in Hartlepool,a bit aggressive but ok cost £110.00. Don't know if he could handle a Imp shell could ask if you like let me know.
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Post by stilettohusky » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:51 pm

Chris, DO NOT shot blast the bonnet or boot lid,surfaces will distort due to heat generated by the shot,I found this out to my cost when rebuilding the Stiletto, Kenny wasn't impressed having to skim the whole bonnet when respraying.
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Post by chris d » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:45 pm

spoke to the soda blaster today
non starter for 2 reasons
1 as mentioned above will not remove the rust
2 £1100 to do it :shock: :shock: :shock:
so going to plan D
more to follow
so been doing some more bits in my blaster today
halfway there
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