Singer Chamois coupe, Vickie

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Re: Singer Chamois coupe, Vickie

Post by super66 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:08 pm

Cheers James and Dom for the upload help with photo's, these should work.

Now i all hope you are sat down nice and comfy, with no sharp objects close, just in case you fall off the chair, i hold no responsibility for damages bla bla bla

So I went on to start work on the drivers side sill. Cut a hole in the middle, not too bad condition but still needs replacing
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Then moved onto the rear sill extension, found some interesting bits and bobs, drill bits, electrical connectors...
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Ripping some of the sill off
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Moving on to the arch to see end of the sill and inner arch. Note, this happen with 1 hard knock with a hammer
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Followed the line of the arch, found this, seemed the arch lip had been covered in n edging strip of some kind.
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Which uncovered these little....
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Started tapping the rear corner, was being replaced anyway but my god here we go!
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This is where we find almost all the arch has been riveted on with multiple patch's of metal, then fillered over. There a reason why there wasn't much rust on this corner!
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What was left behind the sheet metal and filler
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This pic shows 2 patch's help together with rivets
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Combination of metal pieces and filler sections
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It can only get worse before it gets better!
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Re: Singer Chamois coupe, Vickie

Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:40 pm

Whoever did that needs to take up cake icing or plastering , anything in fact apart from car bodywork . :shock:
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Post by ChrisBenoy » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:03 pm

wow that is all pretty awful.
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:13 pm

It does make you wonder how many other cars are like this , ive seen this car a few times and none of this bodging jumped out at me although ive got to say i didnt look too hard as its not my place to .
That has all the structural integrity of soggy bog roll :shock:
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Post by 19James » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:06 pm

Mine had big sheets of aluminium covered by lots of filler and underseal :?
I feel your pain Noel :(
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Post by impmann » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:44 pm

Thats pretty ghastly, mate.

Keep at it - once you've done it all, you'll have the confidence that the car is properly solid.
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Post by super66 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:06 am

Noddy wrote:It does make you wonder how many other cars are like this , ive seen this car a few times and none of this bodging jumped out at me although ive got to say i didnt look too hard as its not my place to .
That has all the structural integrity of soggy bog roll :shock:
The scary thing is, even after owning the car for almost 4 years, I never realised quite how much filler there was. I knew there was some but my god, I didn't know wether to laugh or cry when chipping away!

At least I know once I've finished it will be a lot stronger than it was before!
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Post by sammy the sturgeon » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:15 pm

Wow, It was disguised very well, when I've seen her I wouldn't have guessed there was that much filler.

Keep going mate, everything you do just makes her a little better than before.
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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:43 pm

:o :o Wow! That's bodgery taken to new depths! :roll:

As has been said though, Noel, at least you can be confident in future that your car is solid. That has to make all the pain worthwhile. :wink:

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Post by super66 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:23 pm

Cheers Paul (s) I've always heard the saying, it will look worse before it looks better, i now 100% agree but it just makes me motivated to get her finished.

Went to the unit again today, booked it off work as knew i would need a recovery day after watching the superbowl!

Now having all the small sheets of metal off the car there was time to inspect, with a quick rub down i was left with this
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Seems to be in good condition, only been out of shape from where the rivets were located. I'll cut above the line of rivets, dotted line then joggle from there.
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I chopped out the small piece of original arch and managed to slide the inner repair panel between the current inner and outer.
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Inspected the inner arch to see how much i'll need to chop out, luckily, not much, i think it's just the lip that was shot, has been well covered in underseal for years
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Also chopped the sill to find this side being worse than of the N/S.
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Post by 19James » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:48 pm

It's a shame you've got to cut into the swage line as its very hard to get the shape back again properly when it comes to the final sanding and prepping for paint :roll:
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Post by bks974c » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:54 pm

If you had not already intended to remove the wiring from the sill - now's the time, tie a strong string and remove from back to front to ease refitting later.

Trust me wiring harnesses have a magnetic attraction to welding.

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Post by super66 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:09 pm

James, yea will try not to go into the swage line, but I guess more important to get back to solid metal.
Scott, thanks for the warning, I'll make that the first job when I go again.
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Post by 19James » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:30 pm

bks974c wrote:If you had not already intended to remove the wiring from the sill - now's the time, tie a strong string and remove from back to front to ease refitting later.

Trust me wiring harnesses have a magnetic attraction to welding.

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Yes very true Scott, me and dad found some decent string inside my brown car and tied the loom up as far away from the rear arch as we could, I'm pretty sure it's saved it :)
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Post by 67cali » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:45 pm

Those photos remind me of my van before I started to really strip it down. Then the filler appeared and the more I dug in, the more I found. Filler, twisted rusted metal and pop rivets a plenty. It can get you down and feel like you'll never get there, but once you get past that and have a solid shell, the smiles come back. Stick at it. :wink:
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Post by cov_climax » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:01 pm

i put some thick copper wire in the sill after removing the heater hoses/ wiring harness. you really want something that even if it gets really hot from welding won't fall in two or add fuel to a fire, like rope might. Plain steel wire would be just as good, probably available from a garden centre or farming outlet (fencing wire) you might only get plastic coated, which you could strip off with a knife or burn off (make sure you do it outdoors) if required
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Post by chris d » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:20 pm

yee god noel
shame its not rust
you could weigh it in at the scrappies
im collecting crusties
might buy a grinding disc
but it all helps
if you remove the wireing harness
i used a metal coat hanger to thread a string through then the harness
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:44 pm

I use an old speedo inner cable for threading wire through , flexible but strong
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Post by super66 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:38 am

Cheers for the advice guys, i'll get the loom out and make sure there is a thread of some sort so it can be re routed upon completion.
Plan is to work on the Drivers sill this weekend, try and get at least the inner sill replaced.
Really enjoying ths project at the moment, just want to crack on with it!
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Post by super66 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:34 am

Did soem more work on the car on sunday. managed to get the inner sill ripped out, was a mess.
The wiring loom is in a right mess. Seems like a wire has burnt out at some point. I'll get some pictures next time.
Managed to cause a small injury to myself when pulling out the heater pipe, pulled the pipe from in the car at the front, it tore and a smacked my hand on dash, end result, blood everywhere and injury stop play. Will be back at the weekend!
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Post by ImpManiac » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:52 am

Ouch! :shock: I've done similar things, Noel and it is painful. I think this is what people mean when they say it gets worse before it gets better when restoring a vehicle. :wink:

Keep at it. :mrgreen:

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Post by sammy the sturgeon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:37 pm

super66 wrote:Did soem more work on the car on sunday. managed to get the inner sill ripped out, was a mess.
The wiring loom is in a right mess. Seems like a wire has burnt out at some point. I'll get some pictures next time.
Managed to cause a small injury to myself when pulling out the heater pipe, pulled the pipe from in the car at the front, it tore and a smacked my hand on dash, end result, blood everywhere and injury stop play. Will be back at the weekend!
Your doing well I think i'm up to one hospitalisation, and four (more than a plaster) blood injuries, and of course the usual cuts and bruises!
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Post by super66 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:25 am

Ah well in that case i'm doing alright, i'll try not to follow your lead though if you dont mind Paul!

Following your help i removed the harness from the sill, what a mess!
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Looks like a wire has burnt out, you can see the bare wire, thankfully it wasnt live at either end!
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Inner box section edge is in need of some welding too
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A tap at the front end and this happens! Another new panel needed!
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More rivets
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The inner arch is in a right mess!
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I'm glad i have found all these issues as want to get them fixed but my god, what a challenge for my first project hey!
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:58 am

:? You certainly have your work cut out (no pun intended) for you, Noel. Keep at it, mate. :wink:

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Post by 67cali » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:00 pm

You'll have it looking beautiful again.... And this time it will be solid. Keep the enthusiasm going, its going to be a really nice car.
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:12 pm

^^ I agree wholeheartedly. 8)

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Post by Duk » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:02 pm

So will it get finished and on a run before mine manages to actualy get to the start of one :lol:
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Post by sammy the sturgeon » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:26 pm

Wow Noel,
Good on you, some would give up and look for another shell, but from what you are saying you are determined.

- think of it this way, although it's your first project, once you have done it all, everyone will be able to ask your advice on how to replace any panel as you will have the experience. and your next Imp will be a piece of cake in comparison to this.

Keep at it - I look at it as, the more you have to do, the better it will look in the end, and the more it makes it YOUR car.
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Post by super66 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:43 am

Cheers for the constructive comments guys, it is a bit of a mess but I am still enjoying myself as it is all a big learning curve at the moment, ask me again in 6 months and we'll see how I answer it again ha!

Anyway back to it this morning, time for some welding! Update later.
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Post by stilettohusky » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:30 pm

Hi , be carefull how far above the swage line above the rear wheel arch you cut, replacement arches only go so far above the line, best to buy some arches which extend above the swage line and trial fit before cutting. metal away. See Stilettohusky ,my rear arches were just as bad as yours. My Husky shell was much worse than i thought but all was but all was well in the end. keep up the good work it will be worth it in the end.
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Post by super66 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:36 am

Thanks for that, i certainly don't want to go to the swage line and the more i look at it i feel i will be ok, should be able to stay below. We'll see with future developments.
Managed to get some welding done over the weekend. A few holes patched up on the inner box section.
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Filled a groove i accidently made when grinding.
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Cleaned up the inner box section and gave it a good paint
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Then moved onto welding the inner sill on
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Just need to weld right at the top and then that's the inner done.
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Post by chris d » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:48 pm

nice work noel
welding is getting better
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Post by ImpManiac » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:14 pm

^^ I agree. Fabulous work! :D

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Post by super66 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:26 am

have been plucking away with the car, got the drivers side sill on now, all solid and strong. it's help in place with a few welds but need finishing off. I'm happy with the work.
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Now it will be attach of the rear arch's, a new project!!
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Post by lukesoanes » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:26 pm

nice work!

chop chop mind as it'll be national before you know it!!

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Post by super66 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:14 pm

National? HA!!! Your having a laugh, no chance of being at national.
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Post by colin rooney » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:51 pm

yes noel your welding is getting better ,only thing i would think you could do is put more plug welds on your inner sills say around 1 inch apart hope this helps ,and also 1 inch apart on the outer sills

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Post by super66 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:40 am

Cheers Col. Appriciate your comments about distance between plug welds. Bit late for me, but i hope it can help others. I'll get a picture of the back of the sill once completed. Cheers for commenting
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Post by ImpManiac » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:29 pm

Great work, Noel. The car is looking good in the sill department now. :D Great advice from Colin too on the weld spacing. Mental note made. :wink:

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Post by super66 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:00 am

ok, so got the rear end of the sill fully seem welded in, i can really see the progress i have now made.
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I almost thought about not cleaning it off but changed my mind!
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Need to clean the welds up on the door opening but we are getting there.
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Also started work on the Rear arch, but nothing much to report.
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