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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by Randywanger » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:15 am

Bookmarked this build, looking forward to the next update. Love your work.
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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:13 am

Excellent work, Eric. 8) I find threads like this inspirational because you make this sort of work look straightforward. That is a good thing! :wink:

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Post by 617sqn » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:14 pm

Fantastic .... Keep it coming, Eric :D

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild is finished - it drives

Post by pimpdriver » Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:56 pm

Huge Apologies to everyone, I've not updated this for 3 years - my bad

As usual these rebuilds always take longer than you expect with life and everything getting in the way, but it has nearly reached its conclusion.

I drove the car on the track last week, so I'll show so pictures of the final outcome and then if people are interested I'll add some of the photo's of the rebuild as I went along.

So, let me introduce - Pimp 2

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These were all taken at a damp Curborough Sprint Circuit last week where I drove it for the first time. I had a few teething problems but it drove very well.
I'll add a few more pics later tonight once I have sorted them out.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by bks974c » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:35 pm

I'd like to see details of the build :D Looks great

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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:59 pm

Fantastic BLISTERED arches!!!

Good to see the multi-screw poly carb window fixing carried over from the turbo clan plus Ali Cats.

Have you got twin rads (ala Turbo Clan and Porsche ) in the nose too?

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Post by pimpdriver » Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:00 pm

I f you look at the headlights in the above photos, the intercooler rads are where the inner headlights should be. Piccy with the front off.

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Piccy of Turbo engine fitted, with the exhaust half made, but without the rear wings on.

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A short video of the engine on the rolling road, doing a power run after a full day's set up and tuning on new Megasquirt MS3X.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by The Nun » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:05 am

Theres no missing that colour combo for sure, unique :wink:
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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by Oscarmax » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:45 am

Will you be running at Loton Park this year
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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by colimp66 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:22 am

Eric ,
that was worth the wait to see the finished product you have produced.
Very nice.

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Post by SimonBenoy » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:05 pm

Awesome work sir! Love the colour scheme (and the roof is really good too :wink: )
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Post by lukesoanes » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:54 pm

Love this!! It looks amazing!! Top work. :D
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Post by colin rooney » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:04 am

Looks lovely Eric well done we need to get all these rawlson bodied cars together at national for a photo

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Post by ImpManiac » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:09 pm

Utterly fabulous, Eric! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I absolutely love what you've done there. It sounds like an animal too! 8) Can't wait to see it.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by pimpdriver » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:46 pm

Thanks for the comments, Its taken long enough, but I'm very happy with the finished car.

Oscarmax - I'm not sure what events I'm doing yet this year but I might be doing one at Loton in early August.
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Post by Oscarmax » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:36 am

pimpdriver wrote:Thanks for the comments, Its taken long enough, but I'm very happy with the finished car.

Oscarmax - I'm not sure what events I'm doing yet this year but I might be doing one at Loton in early August.
Hi Pimpdriver, if you do Loton Hillclimb I would probably alone.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by impmann » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:10 pm

That looks fantastic, Eric!

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Post by Macrootes » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:54 pm

What a nice piece of work.
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Post by pimpdriver » Tue May 10, 2016 10:09 pm

Evening
Pimp 2 has had its competition debut. :shock: :shock:

I was looking around for a local club event to enter the car for its first competitive outing, but couldn't find one I could enter. :(
So I entered the British Hillclimb Championship round at Harewood last weekend (7/8th May), might as well go for it :P
This is a two day event with practice rounds on the Saturday and a practice run and timed runs on the Sunday. I love Harewood Hill to drive, the organisation is top notch and its not too far away (120 miles).

After the test day a few problems came to light, the worst being I didn't fit the seat - I'm too tall. There is plenty of headroom in the car seeing as the seat is bolted to the floor. I'm 6'3" tall and coupled with the fact I have to wear a HANS device now, the cut- outs in the seat back for the harnesses were about 4" too low. I could just buy another seat, but i'm tight, so I modified the seat to fit me.

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Top of seat cut off and raised the correct amount.

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After playing around with cardboard and things, I eventually used 3mm Foamex board to create a surface to mould onto.

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2 layers of fiberglass on this side, followed by 1 yayer on the back side once the foamex had been removed. A few coats of flowcoat (gelcoat you can add to the fiberglass after moulding), a lot of sanding and a coat of paint you get a longer seat.

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Anyway, seat all fitted, Wiring mods successfully carried out, front grill made and fitted, rear wheel spacers/adapters made and fitted, the car was ready for an MSA Scrutineer to come round and inspect it and issue a new Vehicle Passport. This passed off with no problems a had no excuse but to go up to Harewood.

Arrived at Harewood at 8 ish on Saturday and parked the car up in the paddock between my two class rivals. A Mini and Andrew Russell in his orange Ginetta G15 with an 1120cc Imp engine. I haven't competed really for 3 years so I was a bit nervous that I might have forgotten how to drive a car with slicks on.
I started my first practice run and all the way up the hill the engine felt flat, I wasn't getting that 'rush' as the turbo came in at all. Quick investigation in the paddock showed that the main hose onto the plenum had come off - that will explain it.
2nd practice and the car felt much better, this is now turboed :twisted: . finished my run and was very happy with my time, the car feeling great. I was running it with 10 PSI of boost to play my self in.
3rd practice and I was really starting to enjoy this until halfway up the hill, it all went flat again. :x

Hose had come off again, but looked a bit weird. Something was sticking out between the hose and plenum :? . Took the hose off to discover what it was.
When taking the engine out of the Clan and fitting in the Imp, I had a clearance problem with this hose and the bodyshell which involved me cutting the plenum chamber pipe down to a short stubby length. To add a bead on the end of this cut down tube, I wrapped a few tows of Carbon fibre and epoxy round the end to provide this bead. This bead was now loose and sticking out, it was like a rubbery 'o' ring. It looks like I didn't mix the epoxy properly and it had never really cured.
I managed to beg and borrow various cleaners, sandpaper etc to prepare the carbon tube, to which I added a bead of epoxy putty.

By Sunday morning this had cured and I was ready to go again. Practice went well with the car behaving perfectly.

Ist timed run arrived, and I started to get the hang of this with the fastest time in the class and setting a new class record :shock:

2nd timed run and I was really starting to push until the drivers door flew open on the first left hand bend, I managed to grab and shut it, but it flew open at the next bend so I gave up and drove to the top slower whilst holding the door :oops: Luckily Andrew Russell who was very close in times to me, didn't improve enough to beat me.

First event, Class win and Class record - I'm over the moon to achieve that on its first outing.
The record is not the Hill class record, but the British Hillclimb Championship Class record, but i'm still happy with the cars performance.

I forgot to take any photos until the end, so here is one one the trailer with the high speed tow car.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by Lars Hagermark » Tue May 10, 2016 10:28 pm

Not bad at all for a starter. :lol: Congratulations! :D
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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Tue May 10, 2016 10:58 pm

Where's the Scimitar ! :shock:

Congratulations on the records Eric - and an Imp (albeit Rawlson) beating a G15 is nearly as good as Clan beating one! :lol:

Will the Clan never turn a wheel again?
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Post by bazzateer » Wed May 11, 2016 7:55 am

Nice one Eric! Car looks great.
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Post by pbergs » Wed May 11, 2016 11:50 am

Such a lot of fuss over a couple of hours work! :lol: Seriously a really useful resource and sterling work . How many man hours? If it hurts don't tell us!
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Post by colin rooney » Wed May 11, 2016 1:56 pm

Well done Eric it makes all the work worth doing when u get a class record

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Post by ImpManiac » Wed May 11, 2016 3:55 pm

Wow! :o A competition car's debut could not be much better than that! Well done, Eric! :mrgreen:

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by benwick3 » Wed May 11, 2016 4:24 pm

You've got a thing about doors! At least you didn't leave it behind this time.

Well done.

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Post by pimpdriver » Wed May 11, 2016 4:24 pm

Lotus-e-Clan wrote:Where's the Scimitar ! :shock:

Congratulations on the records Eric - and an Imp (albeit Rawlson) beating a G15 is nearly as good as Clan beating one! :lol:

Will the Clan never turn a wheel again?
..Is the Imp lighter than the Clan?
Do you think the Clan is inherently slower than the Rawlson?
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The Scimitar is taking a little rest, I haven't used it since I was given the Rover 3 years ago. Now the Pimp is finished I'll be restoring the old girl.

I'm undecided with the Clan, It needs a lot of work and all the running gear is now on the Imp, but its not worth a lot so I'll probably keep it.

I haven't weighed the Imp yet, but I've borrowed an old corner weight gauge so I will soon know what it weighs, I'm hoping for around 530 kg.

I would expect the Imp to be slightly slower than the Clan, it is taller and the aero is nowhere near as good. On the plus side I'm able to run more boost now :D

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Post by pimpdriver » Wed May 11, 2016 4:36 pm

pbergs wrote:Such a lot of fuss over a couple of hours work! :lol: Seriously a really useful resource and sterling work . How many man hours? If it hurts don't tell us!
I' not sure on hours but I've been working on it for over 4 years. I'm not good at farming stuff out so I've basically done everything myself apart from applying the paint and buy the fiberglass panels. The engine, gearbox, suspension and brakes are all off my old hillclimb Clan so they were basically just bolted on ( apart from a few tweaks)

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by moose » Wed May 11, 2016 7:59 pm

Hi Eric good to meet you at Harewood thanks for letting me have a good look at the car, i never managed to put this thread with you at the time but my head was elsewhere with the miss fire we had on Grahams car, all sorted now, thanks for the loan of the plugs i cannot remember even if they were brand new if they were i shall get a new set to you, PM me your address. Long story short car had gone to a rolling road before it came to us for a wiring loom, we were asked to replace the main jets that the rolling road had fitted as the engine builder had found out they had gone down a size. so we replaced them, the reason that they went down a size was due to the fact they never checked for full throttle so set the car up with the linkage only making 3/4 opening, as we have found out back in the workshop after harewood they changed emulsion tubes and air correctors, i have now replaced these and the car goes alot better but being a race car needs to go to a track for a full test. thanks again for the plugs and your imp is a credit to you. hopefully see you again soon when i wont be working at an event and we can have a proper chill and chat. Are you doing Barbon?

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Post by pimpdriver » Wed May 11, 2016 10:50 pm

Hi Mike
It was good to meet you at the weekend, it was great to see another Imp competing. Don't worry about the plugs, they were new but you have tested them out for me, so I now know they are a good set.

I am looking at going to Barbon, but the June meeting.

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Post by moose » Wed May 11, 2016 11:46 pm

good one if i am off work i will come along if i cant make it here is my vast experiance and knowledge of my local hill turn left twice turn right stop.


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Post by skamanfrank » Thu May 12, 2016 11:01 am

Eric, do you ever get as far South as Prescott?
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Post by pimpdriver » Mon May 23, 2016 10:04 pm

Evening
A bit more work finishing off non essential bits and trying get round a few problems.

Charging has been a bit of a problem. I'm running a little lithium polymer battery, approx 7AH and weighs under a kilo. It feels like an empty box :shock: .
Anyway the Pimp2 uses a lot of electricity, Electric Water Pump, Electric High Pressure Fuel Pump, Electric Turbo Oil Scavenge Pump, Electric Intercooler Pump, Injectors, Coil Pack, Boost Valve etc. and this lot was running the battery down very quick. I have the small Nippon Denso Alternator (35 Amp ish) fitted, using my own toothed belt drive. It seems that the little alternator couldn't supply enough current at low revs to keep the battery charged. I've replaced it with a very slightly larger one I got off Ebay a year or so ago that produces 60 amps. This worked better but still wasn't charging enough. If I raised the tickover to 1600 rpm it would improve things, so I decided to replace the 18 tooth Alternator Pulley with a 15 tooth one.
This has sorted it, a nice 13.5 - 14 Volts at tickover at 1200 rpm. The only slight worry is will it hold together at high revs, well I'll soon find out. :roll:
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Other tweaks I've been sorting is a rear view mirror - with HANS device on you cannot really turn your head to see behind, make parking in the paddock a lot easier. I've managed to sort out a few problems with my wiring for the Megasquirt MS3x ECU i have fitted. I have now got the speed sensor working on the front wheel so I can do speed controlled Boost to help save the gearbox in the lower gears. Also I have sorted out the datalogging on the SD card fitted to the ECU, which means I can check after run temps, Mixture, Boost , oil pressure, fuel pressure etc. Hopefully this is the wiring now fully sorted - it is definitely slighly more complicated than points and a coil.

I never actually finished off the front end of the car, it didn't need the grills and headlight surrounds for the first event. I have been working on getting these done.
The front grill is a fiberglass moulded outer shape with a grill mesh fitted behind with blanking plates behind to ensure the air only goes through the radiator.
I painted the grill green myself, the paint I used is not a good match for the rest so its gone to be resprayed correctly using the original paint.

I modified the one piece front end to a 4 headlamp one, mainly because I prefer the look of them, but also to allow me to fit the intercooler water radiators where the inner lights should be. I found some 5" pizza grill bases, which when pressed with a domed tool make nice headlamp styled grills. These are fitted to a hinged alloy plate which is sprung loaded. This allows me to push the top of the grills in, to give access to the hidden levers which open the front end.
These are now away for paint with the bezels.

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A bit complicated I know but I'm happy with the final result.

I'll be at Crystal Palace this Sunday (May 29th) competing at the Sprint. Its a good day out with lots of other stuff going on. If you are coming along pop over to the paddock for a chat.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by benwick3 » Mon May 23, 2016 10:32 pm

Eric,

Your new alternator pulley looks to be the same as the one I have fitted and I have no problems at high revs.

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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Mon May 23, 2016 10:39 pm

Denso,s have a max rev rating - usually 18,000RPM - Never seen one grenade itself yet - you could work it all out but im sure it will be fine.
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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Tue May 24, 2016 6:23 am

'Pizza Grill Lights' look great - clever original thinking as usual.

At what point will you be able to test to see if the road speed controlled boost works? It's not road legal - or is it :shock: ?
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Post by pimpdriver » Fri May 27, 2016 2:58 pm

Front end finished - or is it ??

Picked up the front end bits from the painter during the week and I fitted them this afternoon.
I'm really happy with the light grills and surrounds, but I asked for the radiator grill surround to be black and the radiator grill to be green, but he did them the other way round. I'm not sure if it was a pure mistake or that he thought it would look better.

What do people think

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Grill as was but the green the wrong colour

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I'll be leaving it as it is for this weekends fun at Crystal Palace, but I might get them painted again. The grill might be getting heavy as it started off black as I bought it, sprayed it green (wrong green), now its been sprayed black again, and it might go back to the right green :D


Anyway the similarly coloured Irish Clan passed its MOT today, these nice reliable modern cars, its 30 this year :lol:

Eric

Oh Peter, forgot to say, the car is not road legal so all testing is going to be done at events, or I might hire a bit of Bruntingthorpe Proving ground for an hour or so to prove/check a few things - its only 4 miles away.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by ImpManiac » Fri May 27, 2016 8:58 pm

The car looks really good, Eric. :D See you at Crystal Palace.

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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by bazzateer » Fri May 27, 2016 9:50 pm

I quite like the grille ad it is Eric.
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Re: Pimp2 - the rebuild starts

Post by benwick3 » Mon May 30, 2016 3:48 pm

http://i555.photobucket.com/albums/jj47 ... t3rvz7.jpg

Link to Pimp2 at Crystal Palace yesterday.

Car look great but your overalls definately clash with the color scheme!

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