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68' Stiletto gets a re-build...fiberglass arches?

Post by KDHUDSON » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:28 pm

Always a good idea to begin your first imp project whilst at university.

This is my first car (rolling shell), purchased when i finished my first year of university as a summer project... studying industrial design, with a keen interest in historic rallying and with the guidance of the girlfriends father who has a rally imp of his own, what could possibly go wrong. :?

With Ebay being the mecca of all good buys, that's where I started. Trawling the site for weeks for the perfect (I say perfect, although from my findings I think we all know that they have many imperfections and hidden gems) project I finally stumbled upon a cheeky 1968 Sunbeam Stiletto with an Ian Carter 998. To cut a lengthy pick up story short - I bought the thing.
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First thing was to rebuild the 150' Strombergs as they were not mounted to the engine or on a manifold, (luckily i had also found myself with more spares and repairs than Malcolm Anderson with the purchase, so a manifold was not to hard to find). We had the manifold and the air cleaner pipes sandblasted, re assembled the Carbs with the 'correct' needle although she's defiantly running rich (didn't play around with the carb set up too much as we knew the engine was coming out).

With the help of the girlfriends father the engine received a compression test, battery got a charge and the ignition switch got a free up - with each cylinder showing good and similar compression and all of the other usual checks done it was only right we fired her up... so we disconnected the fuel pipe and stuck it in a Jerry can of fresh stuff, turned the key...
a few noises - but generally nothing.

whipped the fuel pump of, gave it a few pumps - squirted petrol all over the shop, tried again.

Bearing in mind that the car is in a garage, I 'had' pushed the exhaust onto the manifold to give some silencing to the occasion. When she kicked in, off fell the exhaust and the roar ripped through the garage. This is what i signed up for, no knocking or squeals - O.K she was idling a little high but that was down to the Stroms and the mixture, but at least it ran.

The car had had the vinyl roof taken off it before it was stored, so the roof is in really good nick and the shell is pretty straight which is always a good thing.

So with the good points out of the way:

On delving deeper into the cars bodywork all of the usual suspects needed tending, n/s and o/s rear and front inner/outer arches were shot. Both front quarters were missing lower corners.

The underside of the car had been 'protected' with copious amounts of under seal (more like used to hide up bodges) so all of that had to go...
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Re: 68' Stiletto gets a re-build...

Post by KDHUDSON » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:28 pm

*more pictures to be updated soon*
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Re: 68' Stiletto gets a re-build...

Post by impmann » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:37 pm

Good luck with it... the Carter 998 will make it rather entertaining when its done!! 8)
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Re: 68' Stiletto gets a re-build...

Post by KDHUDSON » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:57 pm

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Post by impmann » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:09 pm

Nice - and rare for a Stiletto - original colour... was it Tahiti Blue or is my monitor playing tricks on me?
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Post by KDHUDSON » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:46 pm

impmann wrote:Nice - and rare for a Stiletto - original colour... was it Tahiti Blue or is my monitor playing tricks on me?
ha, your monitor is defiantly not playing tricks on you, the original colour is Blue... but for some reason someone decided to spray the car that hideous red with what looks like a fence paint style spray gun. The red has mostly gone now (will post some more pics and an update soon) , the red paint was 3mm thick in some places and had been sprayed everywhere, but was easily cured with some paint stripper, a scraper and sander.

Its a shame as where the original colour shows through (under the bonnet and inside the car) its quite nice, well, a lot nicer than the red.
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Re: 68' Stiletto gets a re-build...

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:37 pm

Very cool project! :mrgreen: That blue is a lovely shade and suits the Stiletto brilliantly. Are you going to repaint it that colour?

Keep up the great work! :)

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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:09 pm

From what I can see it used to be this colour. This car was my stepdaughters old hack .
Keep us informed of the progress :)


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Post by KDHUDSON » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:12 pm

So i messed around a little with paint stripper to remove most of the Red paint, but there is plenty of bodywork that will need tending to at a later date so i'm not too fussed about the condition of it at the moment.
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The next thing was to strip the engine and box out, with alot of help from the girlfriends father (which came out very easily, with some nuts so lose that you could undo them by hand! :? so we were guessing that she had been apart a few times before, but it did make the job easier).
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Post by KDHUDSON » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:19 pm

Next was to find the true extent of the rust and corrosion:

The underside of all arches and of the car had been liberally coated in wax oil and under seal which all was removed (fun times with the heat gun and a scraper). The under seal had protected the original body work pretty well, but it soon became clear that the car had had some (poor) work done to it before, and where the work had been done there was plenty of corrosion and rust.
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We found plates that had been riveted to the inside of both front/rear arches hiding corrosion and someone had fiber glassed around the door hinge mounting in the o/s inner arch. After removing these, it became quite clear why they had bodged the car up.

Both of the o/s and n/s inner box sections that contain/conceal the heater pipes had rotted through, so we removed the outer sills and had a closer inspection - basically the front and back was being held together by the floor pans and the roof.

will update some more pics soon, i finish university for the christmas holidays next :) week so will be working on her for the month, will take more snaps to illustrate what shes like.. including the new sections i had made to replace the inner box.

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Post by KDHUDSON » Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:29 pm

Noddy wrote:From what I can see it used to be this colour. This car was my stepdaughters old hack .
Keep us informed of the progress :)
That's the ticket, very similar if not the exact match :) . I'm unsure what colour to go with for the final paint (I recon i have a bit of time on my hands though :lol: ) so many colours and its not often that you get to pick any colour for you first car, ha. I do like this kind of thing, but not settled on it...
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Im sure they both say fraser imp on the side too, and im sure fraser imps were darker (blue) in colour? :)

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Post by accyimp » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:32 pm

Hi, Did the car come from Barton near Preston? If so I went to see it and was very tempted myself! - espeially with all the bits! where are you in the country? regards, Andy.
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Post by KDHUDSON » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:37 pm

accyimp wrote:Hi, Did the car come from Barton near Preston? If so I went to see it and was very tempted myself! - espeially with all the bits! where are you in the country? regards, Andy.
Yeah thats the one, plenty of spares :) , how come you let the opportunity pass? (on delving deeper into what the car had to offer, it is enough to put anyone off :lol: defiantly not as described, but she will be good to go one day)

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Post by KDHUDSON » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:44 pm

Ok, so ive been put onto this Stiletto by Martin Dingle (cheers man :D)... at the moment this is what ill be going for, something similar with group2's.

http://www.imps4ever.info/cars/sunbeam/ ... _199k.html

an absolute stunning example...

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Post by impmann » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:00 pm

Yup - thats Stuart's amazing Stiletto. Very nice. It takes a lot of time, effort and lots of MONEY to get one to that standard.
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Post by KDHUDSON » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:34 pm

impmann wrote:Yup - thats Stuart's amazing Stiletto. Very nice. It takes a lot of time, effort and lots of MONEY to get one to that standard.
sounds about right, lets hope i stumble on a very large pot of gold at the end of a rainbow :lol: (thankyou very much stundent loan 8) )
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Post by ibbo » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:41 pm

whats the reg of your stiletto looks like one i had few years back started off green was then blue followed by red had it a long time didnt have any pot rivets back then :D
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Post by KDHUDSON » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:44 pm

ibbo wrote:whats the reg of your stiletto looks like one i had few years back started off green was then blue followed by red had it a long time didnt have any pot rivets back then :D
shes got a pretty cool reg plate, CAR ***F - ring any bells? :)

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Post by ibbo » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:20 pm

no not my old one
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Post by accyimp » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:27 pm

When I looked at it I didn't have the necessary know how to confirm the claims for the engine, which tbh was what i was interested in - so probably better going to someone who wants do do the whole car!! good luck, and where in the country did you say you were? Andy.
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Post by KDHUDSON » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:03 am

accyimp wrote:When I looked at it I didn't have the necessary know how to confirm the claims for the engine, which tbh was what i was interested in - so probably better going to someone who wants do do the whole car!! good luck, and where in the country did you say you were? Andy.
Thats true, it is difficult to tell. We confirmed it was defiantly a 998 with all of the usual tricks (Whipped off the water pipe and checked for steel liners) and i have the contact details of the person that the car was purchased off before I bought it who allegedly has the info, need to look into that one. After having a look at the engine it looks like it has been wills ringed and has a strengthening plate between the sump and the block (tested it with a magnet and its defiantly steel). Although stripping it further would give some more indications, something to think about in the future.

As for the car, I really wanted a stiletto as there a little different, and to have a rootes one too is pretty cool. :D And as you say it needs a lot of work doing to it, but she should be good one day.

Im based in N.Wales, :)

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Re: 68' Stiletto gets a re-build... advice on fiberglass arches?

Post by KDHUDSON » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:37 pm

It's been a fair while since I've dropped a post up on here - Bout time I started again,
The cars not progressed a great deal, but getting there slowly. Back into my second year of uni at the moment but I'm finishing for a few weeks over the Easter break - meaning loads more time to crack on with the cheeky Stiletto. :)

Anyone got any tips about fitting fiberglass arches as I'm planning to make a start on it on my return home.

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Re: 68' Stiletto gets a re-build...

Post by ImpManiac » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:27 pm

Glassfibre wheelarches to replace crusty iron oxide ones or Bevan / Gp. 2-style arches? The former entails a great deal more work than you probably think and a large amount of welding of reinforcement back into the shell where strength is removed. The wheelarch extensions too require a lot of work, including welding but nothing like as much or as involved.

In the end, you will almost certainly find it cheaper to bite the bullet and buy steel arches to begin with - unless you are a black belt in MIG welding. :wink:

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Post by KDHUDSON » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:34 pm

ImpManiac wrote:Glassfibre wheelarches to replace crusty iron oxide ones or Bevan / Gp. 2-style arches?


Yeah there the group 2 arches, basically all four inner and out arches a knackered - have already 'tubbed' (i think thats what its called) one of the front arches by cutting away the rotten arch and stitching the inner and outer together, does this provide enough strength?

The plan was then to affix the arches onto the outer body panel, (if this is the correct way to go about it) and maybe even seal the underside of the arch to the car to stop any rubbish and water getting between the arch and the body panel? :?

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Post by KDHUDSON » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:51 pm

Here's what we did with front arch, outer and inner.

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Post by KDHUDSON » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:40 pm

Interesting document on fitting arches to a MK1 Escort - http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... ByS4DXr4xA

I'm guessing this is the kind of thing needed

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Post by The Nun » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:03 pm

KDHUDSON wrote:
Noddy wrote:
Im sure they both say fraser imp on the side too, and im sure fraser imps were darker (blue) in colour? :)

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The guys name that owned it could have been Fraser though, not the original Fraser of course, and he wanted subtle difference on his own "Fraser Imp" hence the slight difference in blue, I mean you could have "Noddy" written on the doors I expect, same sort of thing? :D
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Post by Meltdown » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:49 pm

I'm sure I read on here somewhere that the official Fraser blue was changed over time. Ask Apeximp, I believe he spoke to Alan Fraser when building his replica.
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Post by KDHUDSON » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:59 pm

yeah that is true - still unsure what colour to paint the car, so many choices :lol:
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Post by KDHUDSON » Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:31 am

Finally got my act together and joined the Club :D

Home on Friday, so the stiletto will be getting some much need attention - disparately want to get it done before the national this year as it is so close!

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Post by bazzateer » Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:25 am

Nice one Dane, crack on with it! :D
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Post by allthingscars » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:41 pm

That's good you can read your own impressions instead of pinching mine
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Post by KDHUDSON » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:32 pm

allthingscars wrote:That's good you can read your own impressions instead of pinching mine
:D I thought you would like this kev, haha :lol:
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