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Re: GER398E - Gerri: the rebuild begins

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:13 pm

impmann wrote:Ben,

DO NOT heat the bolts.

Put the engine on the floor and get a friend to hold a thick screwdriver against one of the bellhousing studs and into one of the teeth of the flywheel. This will lock the engine from turning. Then use a long bar onto a socket to loosen them off. They aren't done up that tight in real terms and they should not have got wet so rust shouldn't be an issue. This technique never fails for me.
Thanks for the advice - sounds good, the bolts aren't rusted or anything just seem uber-tight. Will see what I can do at the weekend :wink:
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Post by ImpManiac » Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:14 pm

Are there lock tabs on these bolts? If not, perhaps thread lock has been used when they were fitted.

EDIT - I forgot to mention that even thread locked bolts will still undo, given sufficient torque. :wink:

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:57 pm

ImpManiac wrote:Are there lock tabs on these bolts? If not, perhaps thread lock has been used when they were fitted.

EDIT - I forgot to mention that even thread locked bolts will still undo, given sufficient torque. :wink:

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Yes there is... I shall report back at the weekend.

Pretty gutting this morning, got to work to find that the entire place had been smashed to bits by a burglary, and they've taken nearly all the computers including mine, which was my only back-up of pictures of the Imp since I've had it, aside from a few random snaps on my phone. Of course, a ton of other bits including a lot of work have been lost - gutted.
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Re: GER398E - Gerri: the rebuild begins

Post by Lars Hagermark » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:49 pm

sunbeamimpsportBen wrote:Pretty gutting this morning, got to work to find that the entire place had been smashed to bits by a burglary, and they've taken nearly all the computers including mine, which was my only back-up of pictures of the Imp since I've had it, aside from a few random snaps on my phone. Of course, a ton of other bits including a lot of work have been lost - gutted.
Arrrgh! :evil:
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Post by bazzateer » Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:25 pm

Sorry to hear about that Ben. :evil:

When you're up and running set up a photobucket account and upload all your photos to it. That way you won't lose them or have them stolen. Doesn't help you now though. :(
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:15 am

I have the odd one on photobucket, and most of them are on facebook as I used that to host them to post on here. Which also means they're all just rubbish quality.

Ah well... nothing I can do about it now!

I'm hoping to pick up a 2nd hand gearbox from Stu next week, as mine always had a nasty crunch on third thanks to a shot synchro I'm guessing. Other than that, no updates!
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Re: GER398E - Gerri: She's moving again!

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed May 25, 2011 11:41 am

Unfortunately not in the way I'd like...

I'm moving Gerri to another new home one weekend soon - whilst it may make her feel like an unwanted child, it's for her own good :D

She'll soon be living at Morley Auto Services in Salfords, Surrey. I'm good friends with the guys there and spend most weekends up there anyway working on the BMs. It used to be a TVR showroom so it's roomy, carpetty and has plenty of facilities so that I can get Gerri thoroughly sorted out. They specialise in old Fords, but forgiving them that fact, they're really decent blokes who I trust implicitly to help me out when I need it. I'm also in the middle of fitting a custom MK2 Escort wiring loom for them, in return for which they're going to do all the labour bits on my engine (not parts or machining, though they obviously have contacts for the latter).

Should be good! I'm still saving, and thinking of doing paint first, but we'll see.
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Post by long_gone_John » Mon May 30, 2011 6:32 pm

Geezzz, M8 still at it...lol

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Mon May 30, 2011 7:19 pm

Yep! It's been sitting still for a year and a half now :oops:

Well, I did take the interior out and half took the gearbox out in that time :lol:

Updates soon I hope! :D
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:03 am

I promised updates and alas, I have one! Of sorts!

After a lot of saving and a very helpful 21st birthday last week I have some money! Hurrah!

So I've promised myself that rather than wasting it on Bavarian things with four wheels, I'm going to get the Imp up and running. So far I've spoken to Ben Boult to discuss some costs, as I'd like my engine taken out to a 998cc, while I'd also like to leave it for Ben to build as a) he knows what he's doing and b) I'll probably say I'll do it and never will. I've already got a spare gearbox to hook it up to and will get new donuts, new clutch etc while I'm at it.

Once that's sorted I'll be needing to see how much money I have left (if any) and then moving on to sorting out the Imp's underpinnings. Polybushes, Gaz or Spax shocks and some decent springs will be needed, and I've got a very fond spot for Alleycats so I'll have to do some more saving for them at a later date. Hopefully this, and some general overhauling of the brakes and a few other bits will then mean I have a useable Imp to start working from!

As you may be able to tell, I'm pretty excited :)
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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:14 pm

That all sounds great, Ben! :D :D Make sure that the rest of the car is up to the task, though - brakes, suspension, steering, etc. It is best - and safest - to upgrade those things before lashing out on whizzy engines. I am sure you know that already. :wink:

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:42 pm

ImpManiac wrote:That all sounds great, Ben! :D :D Make sure that the rest of the car is up to the task, though - brakes, suspension, steering, etc. It is best - and safest - to upgrade those things before lashing out on whizzy engines. I am sure you know that already. :wink:

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Indeed, I'm pretty excited. My little brother is also looking at getting something old for under £1k, and is keen on an Imp if we can find a decent one for that money - so hopefully there'll be plenty of Imp-things happening on my driveway this summer!

The car won't go on the road until I'm 100% confident in it, don't worry mate :) I've been driving far more modern things for the last couple of years so will want everything up to scratch before I risk getting too brave!
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:56 pm

Slow progress is slow...

Managed to win a 998 short engine on eBay yesterday so will be giving that a bit of love and building it up with my sport bits, and I'm also hoping to move the Imp again to somewhere with enough room to actually work on it.

Also, thinking of either twin Webers or bike carbs - any recommendations for manifolds?
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Post by basil imp » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:18 pm

Well I really wanted to use bike carbs, like the way they work and I'm sure they could be that little bit better than 40's. however since owning an engine with 40's I recently got some twin 40 carbs again (that will be referbed) and will use those (even though I've got some bike carbs in the shed!) twin 40's look excellent and there's so much advice on the Internet about how to set up for an imp on dhla or dcoes that to me it makes more sense as I have a good base to start from.

However I'm sure bike carbs are the cheaper option and would work every bit as well if not better due to the variable chokes.

As for manifolds mark Maynard has them and so does Malcolm Anderson for twin 40's, and bike carb manifolds would have to be made to whatever carbs you use.
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Post by impmann » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:09 am

This depends on the spec of the 998. You may do better with a 28/36 weber on a banana branch, twin stroms or twin SUs, depending on the spec. If its a 998 sport, save yourself a heap of cash, a pile of time and use something a little less 'exotic' - there are those that will always bang on about twin 40s and the like but unless the engine *demands* their use, its overkill. Bike carbs - yes, very nice... don't underestimate the aggro of making a manifold that works and if you want the engine to run right on a Sport cam you'll need the vac advance retard system. PLUS, getting them to deliver the right amount of fuel/air for an Imp may take some fiddling/time/money.

I had the same discussions with Team Hartwell (Ray Payne) back in the day - 40s can be choked down to run on anything and theoretically have better flow than anything. However, if that flow is not needed, then you're spending money that doesn't need to be spent. Twin stroms in good condition flow *brilliantly* and only run out of puff with the competition camshafts (and realistically, R20+ cams aren't nice on the road in tin tops) - and a good 28/36 Weber is superb with R17s or sport cams (wouldn't reccomend for an R20... but that just could have been the jetting on all those I've driven/owned/been in).
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:51 am

Sad as this sounds, my main reason for wanting either 40s or bike carbs is the barp barp noises! Although of course having the engine looking and performing well is also important. I actually have a set of CD150 Strommies which, although I haven't looked at the pair together, I assume would be workable with my Sport manifold/linkage? Perhaps with a slight bit of porting on the manifold?

My plan engine spec-wise is to have the 998 bottom end, although it's apparently got some rock in the pistons so probably with a small overbore and pistons, Sport head, lumpier cam (R17 sounds like the one to go for ;) ) and then whatever induction method I go for. Tempted by having the bottom end balanced too but that's probably overkill.
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:54 pm

sunbeamimpsportBen wrote:Sad as this sounds, my main reason for wanting either 40s or bike carbs is the barp barp noises!
If you want induction noise, go for the 40s. Why not! 8) Modifying cars is all about getting what you want out of them.

You are clearly right about the engine needing to perform properly. That should be achievable using 40s, although it may cost a bit. :wink: You may need to choke it down (chokes can be expensive) and that will also involve fitting appropriate jets and emulsion tubes, etc.

If you were to go down the route of the CD150s and Sport manifold, matching the manifold to the inlet openings in the inlet/exhaust manifold gasket would be a good idea. Then carefully blend the first 15-20 mm of the manifold runners gently in too. Don't try any porting or modification in the manifold where the carburettors are mounted. The sharp edge where the manifold runners split is necessary for good mixture flow. :!:

My advice would be to focus on things like static and dynamic balancing ahead of things like twin 40s. Those can be bolted on later. Balancing can only really be done at the construction phase. So if you have to choose, go for balancing and engine innards (pistons, rings, bearings, oil pump, etc., etc.) first. Bolt-ons later. :wink: Just my opinion. :)

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Post by basil imp » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:57 pm

Best thing about 40's is you can buy most of the parts (excluding solex's) which you can't do with 28/36's, the throttle linkage is much easier to sort out as I found to. Once you get the addiction to driving your car you'll want it to be quicker so why not go for the best carbs you can afford at the time. Not sure on avaliablity of bike carb jets but I've heard a lot about using jet drills?

Incidentally just put some bike carbs on here for sale earlier ;P
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:13 am

Thanks for the tips/advice. Agreed that 'bolt-ons' may be best left until later but at the same time I want to 'finish' the car before it goes back on the road :) but we shall see.

Picked up the engine yesterday - fitted in my spare wheel well :lol:

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It would also seem he was almost overly honest about the engine condition - though there is a very slight bit of rock in the pistons the bores don't feel like they much in the way of wear at all, so once it's in bits I'll have a proper look and work the plan out.
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Post by bazzateer » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:21 am

The Husky and Ital estate belong belong to Colin, Graham's Dad. :wink:
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:23 am

bazzateer wrote:The Husky and Ital estate belong belong to Colin, Graham's Dad. :wink:

Haha, I stand corrected. A cool collection either way ;)

What's their surname? I had a funny feeling I've seen a couple of the cars before
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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:58 pm

They would be the Cashmores. Good people! :mrgreen:

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:37 pm

ImpManiac wrote:They would be the Cashmores. Good people! :mrgreen:

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Indeed!

Saw these photos floating around on Facebook the other day and am having thoughts about giving the arches a subtle flair in a similar manner. When I get to the actual car that is... and as long as my arch roller fits under the Imp's teeny arches! I'm fairly handy with it so as long as it does I'm confident I can get it looking along those lines - I think welding on wider arches would be the only way to get it exactly like that but a nod towards it works for me.

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I did the arches on my daily and am pretty happy with how they came out.

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Post by bks974c » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:50 pm

Remember the Imps arches are double skinned so won't reshape like a modern.

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Post by impmann » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:59 pm

/\ It would also be a crying shame to mess up an original 2 lamp Sunbeam Imp Sport shell in that way... your car and all that, but it would mess up a rare and desireable shell.
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Post by long_gone_John » Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:14 pm

?... Where is Gerri?? or owner..

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:28 pm

long_gone_John wrote:?... Where is Gerri?? or owner..

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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:14 pm

It's good to hear from you, Ben. :)

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Post by kilty » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:48 am

You could always sell it to me...
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