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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:46 am

Will do... I think next pay cheques gonna go on minties, ignition leads, dizzy cap and hg/head skimming :)
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:22 am

Could anyone give me a very rough idea of how mch getting the head skimmed costs?
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by Greetham » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:25 am

head skim approx £30 to £40 max make sure you give it to a good firm to do the job :)
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:41 am

Guy down the road won young engineer of the year a few years ago and builds rallycross engine blocks... Sound good enough? :p
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Post by long_gone_John » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:48 am

Ha Ha!... He would seem ideal... remember:- this is one relationship where you want to be left feelin flat! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by benwick3 » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:08 pm

Although you seem convinced that your headgasket has gone I still think further investigation of the ignition side including timing would be worthwile along with the fuelling. As has been said many times have you checked the carb dashpots? Also what about the diaphragms as splits in them are not uncommon resulting in rough running.

On the headgasket front it's worth pointing out that mayo on the oil filler cap and in the cambox is common in engines in the current damp and foggy weather. It's surprising how long it takes for it to disperse.

You mention funny noises, what sort of noise? Air trapped in the cooling system can be very noisy so as I said previously a bleeding session will cost nothing and could help.

After looking at the above you find all is still not well then a second opinion on the head gasket is called for before you start pulling the head off.

Have you removed a cylinder head before. If as I suspect you haven't then you will need to get help from someone experienced if possible or at least get hold of a decent manual. Before staring any work read the appropriate section, then again and I'd recommend a third time just to be sure you understand it. Follow the procedure outlined and take pictures before dismantling anything so you have a record of where it goes. Easy these days with digital cameras.

When you have the head off check it for straightness with a straight edge and feeler gauges. If it shows signs of having warped then skim is called for. As others have said get this done by a reputable person and get them the check it with you before they do the work. Don't forget the block, this should be checked as well.

Then, as the manuals say, reassembly is just the reverse of dismantling. Not quite, unfortunately, but as long as you follow the procedure as outlined carefully it's not too hard. Use any pictures you have taken as reference and don't rush and you should be OK.

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:39 pm

Have a mechanic coming to look later, and were gonna time it up... I'll let you all know how it goes
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:27 pm

sunbeamimpsportBen wrote:it is gonna need a H/G sooner or later I should think. I dunno, I really have no problem with taking the head off as I was thinking of giving it a clean at some point. Perhaps a H/G change and head skim is a good idea
if it aint broke dont fix it if the hg goes let it go there is no point taking the head off with a decent gasket on
i admit it would be a good idear to take the head off and have a look at whats going on and to have a clean and regrind valvs but only do it if you have to

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:55 pm

ben just got a phone call from the garage good news i start working there next friday :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:37 pm

Congratulations!! Well done stu!! :)
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Post by bazzateer » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:20 pm

Nice one Stuart! :)
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Post by GURNSIMPS » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:24 pm

Top Man Stuart, well done Mate.
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:25 pm

yep spending my days working on jag etypes and nothing but etypes :D :D in a very nice workshop
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by Bevan IMP » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:46 pm

Hi Stuart

Your dad mentioned you wanted to come down and look at my car, you are welcome at anytime however my wife will call you another IMP geek.

I am really pleased that you spoke to Harry as It is a fantastic opportunity, I put the hard sell on him...........

Harry is the biggest car nut you will ever meet with some serious cars around him.

Go easy with the IMP talk....he is not a fan. He is fed up with listening to me talk about my car.

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:58 pm

thank you for the heads up and thank you again for the contact it was the break i was hoping for i would love to see the car i am juts going to have to find some time now :lol: :D
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:17 am

Quick update - no mechanic last night in the end. I'm gonna fire it up a bit later and bleed the coolant system then look for bubbles in the rad. If there isn't any then I'll probably drive over to a local mechanic friend (another one!) and see what he thinks. Plan....
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:18 am

Right, crunch time... Lets go see if my H/G has gone! The answer I still suspect is yes but we shall soon see :oops:
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Re: GER398E - Gerri - head gasket failure!

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:57 am

Lots of Mayo, it's using water and keeps dropping to 3 cylinders... And bubbles in rad, quite a few of them. Head gasket!!! Lol I'm just letting it cool down after my test drive then I'm beginning removing the head. Joy :) rang up the engineer down the road and a skim is £28. Not bad. Time to get to work!
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:37 pm

An update... I started the process of taking the head off this afternoon, and have some pics -
All the mayo:
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After taking the cam cover off:
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What's left of the cam cover gasket (aka very little) -
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And then with the cam out:
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And finally, I was wondering why the intake manifold has a water line through it... to cool the manifold or to warm the water or what?
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by long_gone_John » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:45 pm

Water flows through the manifold to aid Fuel Vaporisation (first thing & in cold conditions) by warming the metal.... will go without - but probably best left in with Twins... less likely to flood it.... :wink:


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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:02 pm

Don't worry it's staying :) Just kinda wondered why it was there really, but that makes sense. My next step is taking the manifolds off... Oh if only it were easier! Lol
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by long_gone_John » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:18 pm

... I see your HedgeHog is looking fair.. :roll: mine was like the dog had had it!

An old bicycle spoke - bent - will help you pull all the copper coils out... and it does look a good bit smarter :wink:

884KOE had a Serck AllyCooler fitted & looked even better...lol 8)


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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:25 pm

Haha yeah does look a bit knackered doesn't it! As are the pipes to it... Need new ones, they're a bit leaky and mishapen. And I'd like to get a mocal cooler eventually :twisted:
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:31 pm

sunbeamimpsportBen wrote:Haha yeah does look a bit knackered doesn't it! As are the pipes to it... Need new ones, they're a bit leaky and mishapen. And I'd like to get a mocal cooler eventually :twisted:
Mocal or those ally oil coolers dont really work on an Imp as theres not enough ram air so IMHO would need a fan , the Standard bog brush one works on the heat sink prinsipal so doesnt need a fan or much ram air to work , 8 degrees difference between in and out pipes on tickover , so the brush ones deffo work.
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Post by long_gone_John » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:40 pm

Hmmm... HedgeHog externally mounted, on the rear bumper.... very Greetham :idea:

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:41 pm

Haha I was only really thinking about looks to be honest! Is there anything I should be especially aware of when lifting the head off? I've still gotta take the coolant pipes and manifolds off mind...
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:44 pm

try not to drop the timing chain into the sump
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Post by long_gone_John » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:45 pm

Noddy wrote:
sunbeamimpsportBen wrote:Haha yeah does look a bit knackered doesn't it! As are the pipes to it... Need new ones, they're a bit leaky and mishapen. And I'd like to get a mocal cooler eventually :twisted:
Mocal or those ally oil coolers dont really work on an Imp as theres not enough ram air so IMHO would need a fan , the Standard bog brush one works on the heat sink prinsipal so doesnt need a fan or much ram air to work , 8 degrees difference between in and out pipes on tickover , so the brush ones deffo work.
Noddy... yes - the Serck was mounted immediately behind the Wpump/cooling fan [my car had a MiNi fan on] >> reversed airflow so it was being blown by (admittedly hotter!!..) air :mrgreen:

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:52 pm

I'll be careful! I'm hoping to have my car done by the end of next week, then we can do our test stu :)
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:10 pm

my car is even faster now i have connected the 4th cylinder up one of the ht leads came loose and car was only firing on 3
i also have retightend the throttle cable so its more responsice
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bring it on
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Post by stuartrf » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:32 pm

did you take allthe buckets and shims off and keep them in order?
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:52 pm

Same back to you! Looking at my plugs it seems my carbs might be really out of balance though that might be to do with the h/g... All I know is I'm fairly confident that it's quicker than yours I'm afraid! :p
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:54 pm

it may be faster but who's car handles better

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:22 pm

Damn... Fair point! Not when I have my new springs and wheels tho :D
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by stuartrf » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:44 pm

probibly have the 998 built then as soon i wil have some imp funds comming in lol one step ahead
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:26 am

Haha then I'll lose... Definitely! Umm what you asked about he shims and buckets... Which bits are the shims? Only one bucket came out so they're all in order :)
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Post by benwick3 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:11 am

Is this a wind up? Are we all wasting our time trying to help?

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:29 am

Fraid not... It mentions them in the manual but doesn't clearly say what they are. First time I've ever delved into my engine so please excuse all the dumb questions :oops:
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by ChrisBenoy » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:21 pm

These are valve shims

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The little discs sitting over the valves, they will have numbers on them that relate to their size. It is important that these go back in the same place but i'm sure the workshop manual covers shimming.

Note: the picture above isn't an imp engine, I couldn't find any pictures of an imp shim.
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:32 pm

Ahh I see! Yeah I've been careful to keep those in place... I wish the weather was better today so I could carry on and try and get the head off... But it's raining cats and dogs :(
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