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GER398E - Gerri: She's moving, again!

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:07 am

I bought Gerri two weeks ago, and plan to start the more major work later today. She has only 42000 miles on her and is solid throughout, with only surface rust underneath (due to a lack of seal) and on a few other spots on the car like the bonnet and grill. Check out pictures here: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... fc52297ac8 , and i'll be putting some up on here at some point too. At the moment my plan is to use wire wool to get the surface rust and remaining bits of underseal off the bottom, then have a coat of etch primer, then red oxide primer, then undercoat then stone chip. Any comments/ suggestions?
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by moose » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:38 am

be carefull with how many layers of protection you use if the stone chip for example is designed to stick to etch primer or bare metal only it may not adhere to the under coat and flake off so whilst you think you are protecting it well with multi layers they all need to adhere to each other to work. Good little project you have there are you planning on rallying it?

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:41 am

Ooh really? So etch primer then stone chip? I would like to rally it eventually, deffinately, but i'm in the middle of a levels so don't have any money at the mo. I'm a huge rally fan and have codriven before so it would definitely be on the cards.
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by kilty » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:45 am

Tidy looking Imp you have there. Mine`s the same model and year only Lincoln Green Metallic, bog standard and handles really well, the best Imp I`ve owned out of 20-odd! See that grin you`ve got in nearly all your fotos? That`ll be your normal look when driving it! :D
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:00 am

Haha yep I'm sure I will! Need to get an MOT first though :(
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by thowman » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:07 am

Hi, nice car - don't mod it too much!!! :lol: Being a purist, a really original car rare car like that would be much nicer to see kept original and use an already modified run of the mill Hillman for your rallying. There ain't that many Sunbeam Imp Sports around - even more so the earlier ones, AFAIK. Does it still have the original engine in it? It will have the same number as the chassis.

A little thing, but your car is a 67 car, not 68. E reg was from Jan 67 to 31 July 67. It was the year they changed from the end of the year to august as the change date - therefore statistically it is quite "unusual" to find an E reg imp as that letter was only used for 7 months.

So, I guess the early imp sports were available in the same 5 colours as the Chammy coupe and stiletto then? Golden Bronze Met, Lincoln Green Met, Claret Met, Turquoise Met and Polar White. I have am F plate Stiletto in this colour and my chammy coupe used to be it until I changed it to the turquoise shade. I know I am being hypocritical by being a originallity freak and changing colours, but at least it was one of the original ones - and it does look much nicer. :D
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:32 am

It is all original apart from the panels that have been rewelded, and a few hoses and a fuel pump. Oh and I'm not sure about the carpets, they don't seem original and there's a couple of patches missing. I plan to keep it fairly original; have it so that it is easily returnable to original state. At the mo the only things I'm thinking of are some minilites and possibly lower springs, although I'm not sure about the effect on insurance springs would have. Possibly some spots for the front too.
Obviously first thing to do is get it sealed so that I don't have to hide it away in a rush every time the weather looks dodgy! I also need to sort out the brakes so that it can get an MOT.
I shan't be doing any serious rallying for quite a while yet don't worry! My plan is to become a motoring journalist, so if I manage to get into that hopefully I might be able to afford a lesser imp to rally.
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by bazzateer » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:04 am

Looks good Ben, I like the grille under the water pump/fan assembly - anyone know if that's a standard part?

Pretty sure they came in blue as well, Si's old Sport PGK***E was blue (I'm assuming it hadn't been resprayed).
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:19 am

I assumed it was standard...? I guess not. Its pretty rusty anyway, don't know if it'll stay. I'm kinda repeating myself but is etch primer then stonechip good protection for the underneath?
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by james » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:29 pm

AFAIK, etch prime, followed by stonechip in high impact areas (wheel arches) followed by under seal is a good way of doing it. It's well worth doing the suspension too (and put cavity wax inside them).
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:43 pm

bazzateer wrote:Looks good Ben, I like the grille under the water pump/fan assembly - anyone know if that's a standard part?

Pretty sure they came in blue as well, Si's old Sport PGK***E was blue (I'm assuming it hadn't been resprayed).
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:48 pm

Cool thanks for the advice...
Ive just spent the entire afternoon with a drill and wire attachment getting old underseal and rust off the bottom... Knackered!! And I'm only about a tenth done.
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Post by colin rooney » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:43 pm

Glad to see this imp sport has gone to a good home my fried owned it around 4 years ago and sold it to a chap in kent i will mail my mate to say its still alive

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:11 pm

Do you know any history of it? I bought it off a chap in Kent, probably the guy your friend sold it to!
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Post by Imperfectimp20002 » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:35 pm

Ben,send me an email to r.j.wallis@btinternet.com
and when i get chance i will send you some pictures of Gerry! (i called him that too!)
i guess you brought it of Tom,dont think Tom's very well at the mo hence he's sold him.
The carpet was the original when i had him,think my friend stripped and cleaned the carbs and if i remember right he did come back to life,just lack of funds and dreaming a little ended up in me selling him.

If you need any paint,etch primers stone chip etc give me a shout and i can get it for you with a good discount.

Oh,etch the floor,then i would 2pack prime it,then stonechip,then black waxoil put on with a stonechip gun,the if a stone smacks the waxoil when the weathers warm it reseals itself abit like human skin.
has all the making's of a nice car and the milage is correct,the interior is/was as new you'd pay a furtune to finish a resto to have an interior as good as his!

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:08 am

There is a wierd whirring noise coming from the fan (i think), is this normal? Sounds almost like a bearing could have gone but i have no idea whether thats just the normal imp noise or not. Help?! lol
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by colin rooney » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:20 pm

Sounds like a bearing or is the rubber band between the radiator and water pump caught up and the fan is rubbing it away

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by ImpManiac » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:30 pm

Could something, like a plastic bag, for instance, have gotten caught up in the fan? Worth a look. I think bearings rumble or rattle rather than whir. It's a nasty, mechanical sound.

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:10 am

I'll have a look. It's kind of grindy whirring noise, quite loud.
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:39 pm

I think what it was was the rubber shroud that goes around the fan, attatched to the back of the rad and to the end piece. It seems squashed and was wedged against the fan, hopefully that sorts it!!
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:19 pm

One happy Imper and a friend: :)
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:56 pm

Is the MGB called Ollie by any chance.
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Post by bazzateer » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:19 pm

Nah! That's Manuel "Ole!"
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:25 pm

Haha actually it is Ollie yes :)
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:53 pm

New wheel cylinder seals arrived today, thanks to Bob Allan through the Imp Club Spares Dept, hoping to fit them monday and then its should hopefully be MOT worthy. Hopefully.....
Will keep you all informed :)
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:08 pm

Been working on the underside today... still a long way to go! heres what ive done and what i have to do :
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:01 pm

Have just spent the afternoon (a fair bit of it anyway) replacing wheel cylinder seals. What I expected to be a fairly simple job didn't turn out to be. I've managed to do one front wheel so far, one cylinder was ceased so it took a while! The shoes were a nightmare to get back on... (is there a knack I should know about?)
Second front wheel tomorrow then a full system bleed is in order, and hopefully an MOT next week I'd like to think before I go on holiday on the 7th.
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:46 am

Right, the drivers side wheel isn't so simple! Both cylinders were ceased, though I've managed to get one out so far. The other seems very very stuck :(
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:45 am

If there is a knack to replacing brake shoes, I have never found it! :?

On the seized wheel cylinder, have you tried squeezing the piston back IN to the cylinder? If you can get it to move at all, you should then be able to get it out. Just a thought. :wink:

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:55 am

Managed to do it by heating the cylinder, and then like you said working it out by moving backwards and forwards and spinning it to free it up. Now I've just got to wait for it to cool down so I can re-fit it!
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Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:01 pm

Nice one! :D

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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:04 pm

I even discovered a bit of a knack to getting the shoes back on! It doesn't make it easy but it definitely helped: hook the adjustment pin over the adjuster after attaching the spring. It seems to serve as an axis for mounting the shoe on the cylinders. Pretty helpful! Took half the time and half the sweat I reckon. Gerri's now back in her hidey hole, the garage with all front seals changed and the brakes back together. A good morning and a bits work I think :)
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Post by bazzateer » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:41 pm

I think I'd have just fitted new cylinders if the old ones were seized, a bit more expensive but 'peace of mind' an all that! Fair play to you for doing it though! :)
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by JamesImp » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:31 pm

The knack i have found for the back is put the springs onto the too the shoes off the car and lift it all on at once. Putting both shoes in place on the adjuster block. Then with a bit of man power pull the bottom of the shoes apart and over the cylinder... Front wise it much the same. But still takes a fair bit of strength. But if i can do it im sure you can.

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by impmann » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:54 am

The thing with seized cylinders is you have to be 100% sure that you remove any trace of a ridge inside the bore (where it stuck). If not it will stick again or it will rip the seal to bits.
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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:58 am

It seems it was just the fluid, because the car hadn't been used for so long but I am going to go through it again to make sure it's ok. They move quite easily now so I think it's fine.
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:13 pm

Coming up to MOT time!!
Yesterday I bled the brakes, then found it wasn't working because in some stupid moment of tiredness, or some sort of similarly rubbish excuse, I'd put a wheel cylinder's piston in the wrong way and the pressure simply pushed the seal off. With that fixed, I plan to bleed the brakes later today, this time it should work I hope!
The only other problem (fingers crossed) was that the offside numberplate light wasn't working, which turned out to just be a loose connection.
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Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:19 pm

After being on holiday for a week, and then ill with possibly swine flu for another week, I began work on Gerri again today. It seems the brakes have sorted themselves out which is good :) I've also just done my first bit of paintwork, repairing the small(ish) scrapes down the side where I accidentally met with the metal frame for the garage door. I used an etch primer followed by red oxide primer, although it's just started raining so I've had to call it a day. :(
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Post by long_gone_John » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:55 pm

Ohh!... don't like the look of that 'creepin death' (rear lower wing/radiator..Pic) seems.. to look at it.. that the corrosion is moving up the panel and the paint is lifting (like ZeroAdhesion)??

Any experts have a view on metallic vs. plain coat for the Adhesion question. My 'N'reg Met Green had lots of rust areas (not rotted thru) in much the same way - but the really older 533 KNX was rotten in a place but the paint hadn't 'lifted' on either side...if you see what I mean, plain mid blue colour!!

Could mean that the interior might need lifting to check for 'scabby/exposed' bits...Dunno :shock:

+ fancy scratching your pride & joy on your OWN doorframe.... geezz.. Must Try Harder :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :wink:

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Re: GER398E - Gerri

Post by sunbeamimpsportBen » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:01 pm

Haha I know it looks bad, but I'm pretty confident that it's just surface on the rear wingy bit. I've given it a good hard tap and no holes have appeared and it sounds solid. It does look pretty bad though! I'll let you know when I get round to giving it a scrape and see what's underneath. It looks a darker colour because I put some rust converting stuff on it just before I took the picture, so it's wet. So much to do, so little time before Impulse :?
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