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So, why do people go for a fiesta disc conversion where the discs must need drilling, instead of something that has discs that would fit- then the only conversion would be a 'bracket' carrying the caliper?
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Paul,
I think the Midget disc would need to be put on a lathe for the centre to be opened out to suit the Imp hub as opposed to opening out the holes or redrilling the Fiesta disc which may be easier for folk from what I've read on here anyhow.
I'm sure someone with more experience on this matter will be along shortly. :)

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After messing around with tthe front hubs yesterday & starting the disc conversion by mounting the discs on the hubs I got back to the body of The Pest today.
I coated up most of the new metalwork/welding wth some Zinc 182 befor pushing it outside so I can turn it around to attack the right hand side with my trusty grinder & welder..


The first time it's been out of the garage since June of last year or thereabouts.

Once pushed back in the other way I put it down on axle stands instead of the spit for this side as i think I had a bit of movement in the body with the spit initially when I started chopping bits out of it. So hoping this way it won't move as much if any..
Well it looks as if this side is as bad as the left side was if not worse.. :cry: At least I have more of an idea what I need to be doing & things should go smoother & quicker.. I hope :)
Here it is with the (cover)sill & rear quarter cut out revealling a lot of rust.
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I already have an inner sill that I made up when I done the leftside & is waiting along with an outer sill, rear & front corner so I only need to buy a front lower wing repair & possibly another rear wing arch repair section as that has also been replaced at some point in its past & in a similar manner to :cry: .
Oh & replace the windscreen section that I started, the rear hatch bittie, rear crossmember area, rotten floor section at the drivers footwell......& probably a lot more once I look eslwhere .. :lol: Im getting scared now.. :P

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Glad to see it's progressing, mate. :D

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...I would mention speeddemons shell....

but it's not good to see a grown man cry.......

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Thanks I'm, it's getting there slowly. :)

LGJ.. Speeddemons shell sounds like a good idea but the time & effort I've already put into The Pest I have to finish it now.. Don't I???? :? A Stilleto would be nice mind 8)

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Just interested before I remove the outer sills from my car, it looks like you havent braced the shell before removing the old ones which I have always thought was needed? Although Im seeing more and more imps being repaired now without the bracing? (in the photo album)

EDIT, have you still got the floor bacing? I see on the other side you braced the door gap as well?

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Hi Chris,
I did initially use the struts in the door opening to keep strength in the shell but cut them back out so I could hang the door to have decent gaps on the door surround & for the sill. I think the experts dont bother with braces & use strategically placed axle stands/jacks so the gap can be adjusted to suit the doors.
This is the way I am doing the right hand side now. The trouble is with the car being in a single garage which I think yours is the same it's difficult having the doors on to do all you need with the sill fitting/welding etc...
I did keep the floor bracing all the same & it is still in there at the moment. Not sure if it does any good but its in there now so I will keep it there.
From what i have read the door is the best "brace" due to it allowing you to see if the car is flexing or not as the edges give you a clear measurement to work with.. the jacks can let the body flex a bit to adjust the gaps.

Hope this helps & remember I'm no expert :wink:

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I suppose the best way for me to go about it then is to leave the doors on cut the sills off (im leaving most of the sill step on as I’ve got cover style sills going on etc) put a jack under the car and lift towards the back of the door opening watching and testing the door opening and closing? Once happy with the setting open door - sill in place - tack around the edges - release the jack - watch and try door again if ok seem it all up, bobs your uncle fannys your aunt?
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Before I tackle the sills & foor I thought I better finish what I started with the windscreen/door frame area so Thats what I have been doing earlier this evening.
I had all the repair panels made up before so it was a matter of cleaning up the area to fit them & trimming the section I have made & deciding in which order I should fit them. I started with the curved section at the top of the door & then the screen pillar area down to the door post & thats as far as I got :cry:
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The next part too be fitted will be the section that attaches to the screen rhs. I will need to tack this on then make adjustments on the panel as it looks like I may have made it slightly too wide which is better than making it too small I guess :)

Still to do the top part for the top of the door & make up a small section for the rear of door post where the rot has affected it where it meets the roof.

Then I'll tackle the floor & sills.. Oh I can't wait ... :lol:

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colimp66 wrote:Then I'll tackle the floor & sills.. Oh I can't wait ... :lol:
Before breakfast? :wink: Nice work, Col.

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nice work col, so have I got the general idea right above your recent post?
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Cheers Chris & IM .

Yeh, sorry you are correct in what you posted earlier. Thats the way I will be doing mine this time around more or less. I will be fitting a new inner sill aswell as part of the floor like I did on the left hand side too.

Good luck with it.

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sweet cheers man, if it goes wrong Im coming after you! :lol: :lol: only messing 8)
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No worries Chris.
I'll be easy to find.. I will be the bloke lying under a rusty Imp trying to sort out his own sill, floor problems... :D

Speaking of that here is my findings today from underneath the Pest..
Poor poor poor previous repairs of doubling up over the existing rust with new metal which then allows water to get trapped & rust the new metal from the inside out.. very clever!!! :x And if it's not that it's inch thick filler or fibreglass.... to the inner arches.. :cry:

I'm sure if I had started this side first I would have given up by now.. but hey-ho.. I'm going to soldier on as they say. Thinkng of buying a new front wing for it as it may be easier than fitting a repair section, the inner arch is goosed aswell where it meets the outer which doesn't look too bad from the outside but has had it's fair share if filler on both sides too.

The rear arch inner is in a similar condition to what the lefthand side one was that I have not long completed & it has had a similar repair to the arch/wing aswell. That will need redoing :?
Sill definatley needs doing as it had cover sill on & the inner is pretty rotten at the bottom edge where it meets the double skinned floor.. now single skin, :) using up the last of my cutting discs in removing that.

On a positive note though I did manage to remove all of the underseal & paint from the inner wings front & rear leaving my nice shiny metal where I need to weld to.. :D

Here's a wee photo of it before the paint/underseal/double skin/rust removal..

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Now thats my wee rant out of the way & shared with you guys I feel much better ... aaahhhhh!! 8)

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Keep going , your doing a grand job , heres one I repaired earlier for insperation


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Cheers Noddy,
good photos you posted there. I have just ordered two new arch/wing repair panels from Malcolm this morning for the front & rears so that will keep me busy for a wee whilst, I think I'll use the Fiesta inners like I did on the other side to save a bit of money.
I did a silly thing & asked Malcolm about the cost of a short block 998..& it's tempting me... :lol:

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^^ I sympathise, Colin. :) I have all this to look forward to once my soon-to-be rolling restoration project hits the road again - hopefully in the next month or two. It has cover sills and is quite possibly hiding nasties in its wheelarches. :roll: Time to roll my sleeves up and get on with it! :wink:

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Thinking I've not been posting often enough about The Pest here I am again having managed to get stuff done & show all you guys/gals what I've been upto.
Also hoping like Chris mentioned in his thread regarding Camilla how to go about doing stuff to your Imp if you don't know how or too frightend to ask. Not that I am expert on Imps as Im learning as I go along & generally htinking if it looks right it can't be that far of.. :)

Anyway, the inner front drivers wing & footwell is the bits to get my attention today. Quite a bit of this part of the car has been attacked with rust all caused or partly due to the roof lining getting wet & water running down the inside of the windscreen pillar in my opinion. I wanted to do this area in one panel but got to thinking it was going to be a tall order so made up two panels for it once I prepped the area for welding. I left the lower part of the new inner wing too long for the reason I had no floor as a guide thinking I would cut it back once the floor was fitted.

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The two sections can be seen in the second photo. It nearly mirrors the original panelwork so once it's cleaned up & painted I think it should look ok. It's not welded to the arch yet as I have new repair panels for that area of the outer wing & want to fit a new inner arch along with that & that would be welded to the new metal I have fitted today. The door post recieved a coat of Zinc 182 primer before fitting the new panel.

Once I was happy with that I started on the floor area which sits below the pedals. A small repair had to be done to the tunnel just at the curve, then it was onto metal bending & forming the indent that runs horizontally from the tunnel to the inner wing. My box section & flat bar jig came useful once again for that :)
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The last photo shows the panel trial fitted as I forgot to take a photo once I had finished.. oops!! :oops:

Next on the very long list of things to do is the floor panel which will be a bit of a challenge but I have the panel cut out already & just nead to mark it up & beat it with the hammer again :lol: .

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That's some serious welding you have there, by the time your finished there will be more new metal than old. :roll:

Keep up the good work.

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Cheers Scott,
you could well be correct with the amount of metal I'm putting into it. :lol:

Going to try & pop over to the meeting this Monday if it's on??? May see you there if it goes to plan

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:shock: You are getting REALLY good at this tin bashing, Colin! Top drawer stuff! :wink:

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[quote="colimp66"]
Going to try & pop over to the meeting this Monday if it's on??? May see you there if it goes to plan
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Good man

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It would be good to finally make it there Scott.

A bit more metal bashing tonight for a bit once I got home from work forming the footwell floorpan to the drivers side.. Satr with one pice of sheetmetal roughly 470x560 or thereabouts, mark up with the appropriate lines then bash away to suit.... :D

Clamp in my home made jig of a sorts..
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The tricky bit will be getting it to fit first time & rearranging how I have my axle stands positioned to allow this ...
Leave that for another day though .. :lol:

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Good work Col'.
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Very nice bit of work there. :) Most impressed.

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That's art, that is! :o Excellent work!

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Baz, Scott & IM thank you :)

What you have to do until your dinner is ready eh??? :lol:
I'll be impressed myself Scott if it fits ok once I cut out the rotten floor. It's not 100% correct but will be better than a flat sheet of metal for sure & certainly a lot stronger.
Only wish I had managed to do this for the lefthand side but I was ony begining to learn what you I'm capable of with a hammer & vice :lol:

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What you have to do until your dinner is ready eh??? :lol:
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You'll have to have a word with the misses, you must have had to wait for ages :lol:

I shaped the edge of Amy's floor using similar technique to yours but put the angle iron under the floor supported on axle stands before beating
it to shape that way I was to ensure the ribs lined up.

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bks974c wrote:You'll have to have a word with the misses, you must have had to wait for ages
Well before my pizza was burned to a crisp tonight Scott I cut out the rhs floorpan to see how well my new footwell/floorpan panel measured up. Glad to say it isn't far away at all :D I only need to sharpen up the edges where it meets the exsiting piece of floor underneath the seat panels that are spot welded to the floorpan..

One Flinstone style Imp which I'm sure there has been hundreds if not thousands of in the past :lol:
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I'm thinking about removing where the seat is bolted to once I have the new panel fitted as there seems to be quite a bit of surface rust in there from what I can see. Just so I can clean it up & give it a lick of paint, for my own peace of mind if nothing else..
Hoping to have the floor in sometime this weekend or thereabouts....

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This afternoon I fininshed of the floor panel I previously made with the bending of the outer edge where it will meet the inner/outer sill & welding in the turn down part so I can weld it to the inner arch.
I find welding on a 10-15mm strip to the curved area so much easier than trying to bend the metal around the curve aswell as trying to bend it in the correct manner to give a nice curved edge.

I missed judged the size of panel initially as I had a wee rectangular hole that I patched in later as can be seen in the first photo. Go them the wrong way around :oops: The second one shows the amount of self tappers I used to hold the floor in place so to get a good weld.

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I now have a more solid floor which is actually attached to a solid arch :D ,happy camper now so it allows me to bash on with the sills.

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Certainly looks the business. :D Progress also seems to be a lot quicker on this side.

Ready for Imp Ecosse 2011 ?

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Excellent progress there Col, when are you going into Imp floorpan production??!

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Looks good to me :)
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looks great col, realy is coming along now :D :D

may take you up on your offer and come over to have a look at it at somepoint :)

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Thanks for the encouragement guys. :)

Yeh, alot quicker on this side Scott now that I have an idea what is involved & not having nightmares about what needs doing & worrying how Im going to manage it. It was still a headscratcher on where to start & how best to go about sorting the rust out I have to admit. Having the floor in now allows me to cut out the inner sill & fit the door so I can get the gaps correct'ish :lol: .
Imp Eccosse??? Phew, could be a tall order Scott that..try my best though.

Drew, I don't think floor production will be done in the near future I'm afraid..set-up costs, jigging, tooling up, time,quality control, demand , hammer wear...etc...etc.. all have a part to play in it so the panel producers at the moment can sleep easy :lol:
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Location: Dunbar, East Lothian, Scotland

Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" door/screen post

Post by colimp66 »

A bit more done to The Pest tonight with my attention go back to the windscreen & door pillar area that I previously made up the panels for.
With having my new tin of weld through primer that I bought last night before heading to the Edinburgh & Fife club meeting which I thoroughly enjoyed chatting/meeting all the peeps there 8) thank you.
I have welded in the panels at last.
A wee bit of adjusting & trimming had to be done before the final welding took place(much like any bought panel I have fitted already :lol: ) but I'm happy with the result & yet more strength is gained back into it!!! :shock:

Apologies for the poor quality as I don't have great light in the garage for taking photos & it's taken with my phone .. but with a bit of a help from the light from my pushbike here they are :lol:

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The piece above the door is still to be completely welded in as I have only welded it at each end. As can be seen in the last photo of the door pillar this is pretty rotten at the top where the headling touched it.. This will be a bit awkward to put right I'm thinking... :roll: whats new there? I guess.....

Cheers

Col.
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Car Model: 1964 Hillman Imp De Luxe
Location: Fife, Scotland

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Post by Fifeimpman »

Hi Colin,
great to have a chat about the " Pest " at the club meeting on Monday. Keep going you're doing a great job!
Regards Alan
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sammy the sturgeon
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Car Model: GLAddis an August 1963 Imp De Luxe
Location: South Yorkshire (the nut capital!!!)

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Post by sammy the sturgeon »

You will make a panel basher yet!!! :D
looking good and coming along well
Paul Holmes, Rotherham
'GLAddiss' August 63 Imp deluxe (Under restoration)
Vectra C 2.2 SRi - Daily
and a garage on the garden!
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colimp66
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Car Model: 1970 Hillman Imp Deluxe.. "The Pest"
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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" door/screen post...

Post by colimp66 »

Thanks Alan.
Good speaking to you, be good to have a good look at your car & discuss the various engine upgrades that you have done to it in more detail..

Paul, panel basher mmmmm.... I do like making the panels I have to say & would love to know how to operate & be proficient in using one of those English wheels do-da's :lol: That is a true craft & a dying one unfortunately... :cry:
How is Gladdis?????

Cheers
Col.
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