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PES 989J... "The Pest" ....in primer

Post by colimp66 » Tue May 12, 2009 8:14 pm

Hi,
thought I better show you all my new project that I picked up yesterday from sunny Glasgow & brought back over to the sunnier East side of the country.. My J reg Imp deluxe....
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Pretty chuffed with it although there is a good bit of work to do to it,
The good thing is that the sills & floor are solid as is the front end. The rear however needs the two lower rear quarter panels & a bit of fancy metalwork done to the base of the rear window. Fortunately Dougie who I bought the car from gave me two panels that I can use to repair this area with & the gentleman that he is threw in a rear crossmember aswell seeing as the original was like a Tetley tea bag at bits.
The motor turns over but I've not had it fired up .....Yet!! :)

The only thing that I have done so far with it is remove half of the smelly interior & remove the bumpers which like the interior won't be going back in/on it...

Oh yeh,& I trial fitted my 7x13 M***lites that WILL be going onto it... :D ....eventually..
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I'll keep you posted of progress..

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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Tue May 12, 2009 9:00 pm

PES one end and OSB on tother , seems to be confused :o , looks a good solid shell though.
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Post by ImpManiac » Tue May 12, 2009 9:05 pm

Early days for the alloys yet! :wink:

Welcome to the forum! You certainly have your work cut out with that Imp but it will be soooo worth it! :P What plans have you for the car, apart from restoring her? Road? Competition? Both? Any modifications planned? Also how much car restoration experience do you have? Will you be getting the bodywork or mechanicals done by anybody else? Just curious! :D

Nice project!

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Post by colimp66 » Tue May 12, 2009 10:27 pm

Hi,
the engine lid is from another car as the original was rotten thats why there are 2 numbers on it :D .

It will definately be modified IM. No bumpers & dropped into the weeds with suspension mods & disc brakes up front & sitting on those lovely rims(well once i've stripped & polished them). Already have half leather Recaros for the front seats stored once I get to that stage which will be some time away I guess. :cry:
Hoping for a fast road car that handles well aswell as looking the part.
As for the engine I'm in two minds to fettle the Imp motor or go for an engine/gearbox transplant from something else but the budget will dicatate that no doubt.

I'll be doing most of the bodywork & mechanicals myself with a bit of help from a few mates no doubt with machining stuff etc.. There's a MIG welder in my garage, compressor along with the usual toolbox & grinders that I have used on mainly motorbikes in the past but I have restored a MG Midget many moons ago which was modified (lowered, 1380cc motor rollbar, no bumpers.....) in a similar way to what I have planned for the Imp. I have photos of that if anyone is interested???

Looking forward to doing the Imp & getting it back on the road as you don't see to many of them up this way. I had to explain to my neighbour earlier what it was???????


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Post by colimp66 » Wed May 13, 2009 12:19 pm

A photo of what needs to be done to the rear window.
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I have a two rear panels cut out of another imp that I can use to repair this area hopefully back to what it should be like. The inside looks like it has been spared from the rust of what i can see at the moment. I will be removing the rest of the interior tonight to get a better idea of how bad it is.

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Post by colimp66 » Thu May 14, 2009 9:56 pm

Got around to stripping the interior out of the car tonight & ripped out the rotten headlining. The carpets were all a bit smelly so they are binned & also took the glass out & they are now in the attic for safe keeping.

Found a couple of small holes in the floor pan so not as solid as I first thought.. bummer. Overall though still solid enough, seen alot worse.
See what you think......
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A few of the engine bay & the dodgy lower rear quarter panel..
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I found this under the arch cover so I think I may use it for a reversing light once as a finishing touch..
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri May 15, 2009 8:42 am

:shock: Yikes! You have a lot of work to do on that! All do-able, though.

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Post by sonic.boom » Fri May 15, 2009 11:13 am

looks promising :) and its in better nick than my cali to say the least :lol: good luck-simon
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Post by colimp66 » Sat May 16, 2009 9:30 pm

Cheers guys.
Had a wee tinker with it tonight after work & after stripping the carb, cleaned the points & plugs "The Pest" fired up :D & sounded as sweet as a nut.It's only got 31,500 miles on the clock. No rumbles or rattles going on & revved easily(I didn't rev it too hard I may add).
The clutch is seized as expected as it wouldn't go into gear.

Hoping to have the engine/gearbox out of it now by the beginning of the week so I can start to remove all the suspension/brakes etc. & make up a chassis roller with engine stands as Iv'e seen done so I can get stuck into the bodywork.

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Post by ImpManiac » Sun May 17, 2009 5:00 pm

So you know that the engine needs nothing. Nice work! :D It sounds like you are cracking on with it! :D

The clutch can be freed off quite easily. Are you planning to part the engine and transmission?

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Post by kilty » Sun May 17, 2009 6:38 pm

Col,
So you`ll be at The National with it then? :D

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Post by colimp66 » Sun May 17, 2009 7:47 pm

Hi,
done a wee bit more to it today. More boring photos for you guys & probably the things that you have all seen many times before no doubt.
Well I removed the fuel tank so I can see what the body is like underneath that & to my surprise it is solid :D. Master cylinders looked a bit on the furry alloy side but other than that all in good shape.
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Didn't stop me from cutting 2 holes into the inner wings so I could get at the suspension lock nuts to remove the springs. I wanted to do this so I could cut the springs down by 2" to see how it would sit. Think that makes them about the same length as normal Montes???
Don't worry I won't be leaving them in there I will be buying the proper springs :)

The front photo of the car shows it with the cut springs giving around 6 1/2" ground clearance... Is this normal with Montes?? I have some 185/60's going on my alloys tomorrow so going to see how they look once thats done. I know it' s all a bit previous for that kind of thing but it will let me have an idea what I'll be needing to do to bodywork etc..

IM.. I was thinking of splitting the gearbox/engine just for to have a look & a lightend flywheel had crossed my mind for it as well so if I was to fit one of them it would definately need split. Not sure about removing the head yet but would like to give it a wee bit more go if possible. Definatley a different exhaust & carb combination. Keep it simple..

Drew, yeh i'll be ready for the national no probs.... :lol: next year!!! :lol:

Thinking of keeping it the same colour or as near as I can... Anyone know of the correct colour code for this car. Sure the chassis plate has it as a H136/701
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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Sun May 17, 2009 8:11 pm

136 Is Tahiti blue . :D
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Post by colimp66 » Sun May 17, 2009 8:28 pm

Cool. Cheers Noddy.

That'll be the only thing exotic about it at the moment then... it's colour :lol: :lol:
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Post by colimp66 » Tue May 19, 2009 9:36 pm

I've put some 185/60s onto two of my M***lites now & fitted them to the car (one side)to see how it looks with the lower springs & see how much clearance there is at the front. Not lowered the rear yet..
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And from the front...
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I'm thinking the fronts may need slightly wider arches to make it legal?????
Seems like the tyres rub on full lock right/left. After reading a few posts I assume this is normal.. Would it be wise to releave the inner wings to avoid this or leave as is.. The other chocie may well be to use either 6x13 wheels or go for 175/50x13 tyres I suppose....
Any thoughts would be appreciated from those with experience of this?????

Another question before I go and order repair panels for the bodywork.. Who supplies a reasonable quality panels at a reasonable price??? Is there anyone who offers discount to Imp club members??

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Post by super66 » Wed May 20, 2009 10:40 am

Col, your workin hard on this! keep working at this rate and you will be at Imp 09!
I'm running mini light's like yours but run 6" on the front and 7's on the rear. Yeah imp's do rub the arches but really 6"'s are the biggest you can go on the Front,
The 6's that i've got are running 175/60/13's and they seem to do the job but rub slightly, I'm gonna give my inner arches a tap with a hammer to push them out as i think it can be an MOT failure can't it? somebody will know.
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Post by bazzateer » Wed May 20, 2009 12:39 pm

LNK's 185-60-13s on 6x13 alloys rub the inner wings on full lock but he's passed the last 2 MOTs like it.
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Post by super66 » Wed May 20, 2009 12:44 pm

well there's the answer then!
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Post by colimp66 » Wed May 20, 2009 6:13 pm

Cheers guys.
I think I will modify the inner arches where it rubs so it doesn't rub as it looks like its only rubbing by a fraction.. alot of rubbing going on there :oops: Oo'er!!

Super66- Do you have spacers on the rear so the wheels run in line with the fronts? Looks like mine haven't the same width of track. Front being wider. I know what your saying about the 6" on the front but I do like the look of the 7" all round :D

Going to start in the engine bay tonight & start removing all the bitties to get the engine out by end of the week hopefully... Can't imagine it being ready for the end of the year never mind the national. Don't think I'm moving fast enough with it for that Super66..

Baz- I've read most of the posts on fitting wider wheels & tyres & your combination seems to be the favoured way to go..

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Post by bazzateer » Wed May 20, 2009 8:29 pm

Each to their own Colin! 7" on the rear is fine if you have the correct offset. I have spacers on the rear combined with some Mk1 Escort longer studs which required the rear hubs to be drilled out slightly as the shank is thicker than the standard Imp ones, easy enough to do though.
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Post by colimp66 » Thu May 21, 2009 8:42 pm

Baz,
can you tell me please what width of spacers you used on the rear of your Imp?

Never managed to quite get the engine/gearbox out of the car tonight as the two gearbox mount bolts are rusted solid so it will be a job for tomorrow with the grinder I think..
Did manage to remove the radiator & crossmember however which was relatively easy. The radiator hoses I cut with a stanley knife seeing that I plan to fit a front radiator later.

Having the crossmemebr out allowed me to have a better look at the rusty rear quarters that will have to be replaced.


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Post by ImpManiac » Fri May 22, 2009 8:35 am

Coming along nicely. :)

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Post by colimp66 » Fri May 22, 2009 8:14 pm

Engine is oot!!! :D
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Chuffed now. After a bit of jiggling about I managed to get it out & onto an old supermarket thingy base with wheels on. I had to grind the heads of the rear gearbox mounts & unhook one of tthe handbrake cables which got caught on the gerabox itself somehow???
Sits a lot higher without the engine & gearbox in it now :lol: have to sort that out..


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Post by Dave ' Linwood ' Lane » Fri May 22, 2009 8:24 pm

Good job done then , handbrake needs to be off to remove the gearbox just in case you didnt know. :D
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Post by colimp66 » Sun May 31, 2009 8:21 pm

Hi,
not had much time to get stuck into "The Pest" lately but have done a wee bit today which should hopefully allow me to remove the rest of the suspension & start on the welding in the next couple of weeks.

I did manage to remove the dash & the doors. Both not coming of easily I may add with a few seized bolts & screws which I can't imagine is unusual on a near forty year old car..
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As I said before I was thinking of buying some engine stands to make a "spit" so I can rotate the body within the confines of my single(read small) garage. Well I had a trip to Machine Mart where they were duly purchased & now I have it up on the stands ready for being rotated. The 50x30 box section was bought locally which was bolted to the body using the redundant bumper holes.
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The only real problem with mounting it onto the engine stands is gaining the height required. A lot of wood was scavenged to make the height up that my trolley jack couldn't muster :wink: Health & Safety bods would've had a field day is all I am going to say :lol:
All the odds & sods surrounding the Imp will be relocated this week to give me a bit more room. Should've done that before really I suppose :roll: :)
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Post by Hugh L » Sun May 31, 2009 9:30 pm

Hi Colin,

Great progress so far! If you haven't done so already, I would think about getting the car back on the deck and bracing the door gaps before you go much further! Also I found it helpful to keep the doors on so that I could check the panel gaps as I progressed.

Just shout if you need anything !

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Post by colimp66 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:43 pm

Hi Hugh,
thanks for the tip. I wanted to take the doors of to make it lighter so it wouldn't overwhelm the engine stands. I'm not planing on cutting the sills as they seem solid enough so I thought the body should be fine without the doors???
Can see where your coming from though, best to make sure nothing moves so I may well do this once I remove all the suspension & steering which was another reason to get it up in the air.

The left handside rear wishbone & suspension came of the body without too much trouble & I was pleasntly surprised so hoping that will be the same for the rest of the suspension. The rear crossmember looks a bit corroded on the left side though at the end. Once I get it of I'll be able to gauge it better.
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I've started to take the front suspension of on the left hand side now to but looks like I will have to remove it as a complete unit...Is this the correct way to do it or should I be able to drop one side at a time???? I'll do a wee search on that..... :)

I split the gearbox/engine aswell today & found that the release bearing had disintegrated & most of it was lying in the bottom of the bellhousing. Not disaster by any means :| the worrying bit though is that I found one of the bellhousing mounts on the engine casing was cracked in half. Will need to see about having that welded or look for another block..
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Post by Hugh L » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:48 pm

Hi Colin,

If you're not cutting the sills off there's no need to brace the gaps.

Might be wise to do one side of the front suspension at a time - quite heavy as a oner!

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Post by james » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:53 pm

Put the car the right way up and lower the front suspension as a unit using a plank of wood and a jack (or two helpers). I did it single-handed with the car up on axle stands.

Watch yourself when undoing the upper damper mountings - they are under tension even at full droop. It's best to put a jack under the suspension arm and lift it up a bit, undo the top nuts and lower the arm gently using the jack before undoing the bottom end of the damper.

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Post by super66 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:39 pm

Sorry for such a long reply.
No i'm not running spacers on the rear with the 7" wheels on, not too sure what the offset of the wheels are either sorry.
The front wheels seem to run in order with the rears. like i say, offsets can affect this.
I know what you mean though, 7" wheels all round would look ace, i guess it's arch work or keep the 6 and 7's.

Great work on the car, seem to be like what i have done with my car :D
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Post by impmann » Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:34 am

I wouldn't worry too much about the broken stud, as long as the rest are OK. Its probably been like that for years without any issue 8)
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Post by bazzateer » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:42 am

colimp66 wrote:Baz,
can you tell me please what width of spacers you used on the rear of your Imp?
Sorry for the delayed response Colin. From memory the spacers are about 3/4". This http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_in ... ts_id=4623 looks like the kit you need. Mine came with the car but were originally fitted to Si Tricket's old Sport so he can probably confirm the details (he's 'Rootes' on this forum).

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Post by colimp66 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:15 pm

Baz,
thanks. good link that, they will do the trick just fine & think that will come in useful for some other stuff too. 8)

Impman, after writing about the broken stud i did think the others may do the job but wanted to hear some opinions, thanks I'll leave well alone & not bother with another motor unless I discover any other horrors :o

Super66, you could have hit the nail on the head with mentioning the offset, they did come of a M*** so that may have something to do with it. Spacers will be needed on the rear if I am to keep the fronts the same to give it the better look. Arches for the front will definately be required too I reckon. Been looking at all sorts of front wings that I may cut up to suit... Mk1 Metros look a possibility at mo & cheap :D

I won't get near the car until Thursday at the earliest to remove the front suspension bu tI wll let you al know how I get on..

Thanks.

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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" rebuild

Post by AlanB » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:11 am

Great project. It's along the same lines as mine, except you actually seem to be working on yours!! :D

The rear hatch on you car seems to be the exact opposite of mine. Mine is like new at the bottom but rotten at the top!!

Keep up the good work!!
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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" rebuild

Post by super66 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:57 am

Col
I had some 6" revolutions on my old car from a mini and seemed ok but it wasn't 7"s so won't really tell.
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that's my car so you can see the wheels, fit ok to me. i've got 2 spare minilite's, exactly the same as one's on front. not sure if that would be an option for you?
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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" rebuild

Post by colimp66 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:30 am

Hi Alan,
the rear window repair i think is going to be the more challenging on this car. Luckily I have to rear panels that were cut out of other cars to make it look good(I hope) :) . Not getting as much done as I would like to be honest but slowly progressing. Read your post & sounds like you have a much better idea than I do about turning out a good Imp.. I'll get there though :wink: . I bought my M***lites form a bloke in Errol up your way.
Good luck with yours once you get started..


Super66, I like the look of your car & its the kind of stance & look I'm after with mine, nice one. Is it on Montes & is that a Hartwell spoiler??

Cheers.
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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" rebuild

Post by super66 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:58 am

Colin.
It's not a hartwell spoiler just a plastic bib, is ok though actually as if it does hit anything it just bounces back, result!
The springs that were on it then were cut down's on the front. it now has monte's on it, got some issues at the front end now but it's not to do with the springs.

Good luck
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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" rebuild

Post by Peter Hurst » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:27 pm

colimp66 wrote: the worrying bit though is that I found one of the bellhousing mounts on the engine casing was cracked in half. Will need to see about having that welded or look for another block..

Col.
If engine needs complete rebuild worth starting with better block. We had a imp in the family years ago with this bottom stud and casing broken off. It was done by a tyre fitter putting a trolley jack under the car to jack it up at front of gear box but didn't lower jack enough!
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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" rebuild

Post by colimp66 » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:24 pm

Been a bit on the slow side with "The Pest" this week unfortunately & feel like I haven't got much done.
I do have all the suspension of now aswell as the steering rack so really a bare shell with only the pedal box & master cylinder to be removed before I start removing paint & underseal... then onto the metal cutting & welding :? :D
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I did pick up my Recaros the other day but they will be sitting around for quite some time before I need them :cry: They couldn't be let to go by me as I bought them for £40 with the runners/subframes. :D Came out of a Rover of some description that was used for bombing around a field by the farmers 15 year old son.
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They badly need a clean & a bit of leather care mind...


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Re: PES 989J... "The Pest" rebuild

Post by colimp66 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:52 pm

Hi,
been a wee whilst since I've been on here & sorry for not keeping up the progress report on The Pest but there's not been a lot getting done on it lately.
The lower lower half of the bodywork has been paintstrippe dto allow me to assess how much filler there i sin the body & what repairs/bodges have been done previously.
Looks like it may have had arches at some point & definatley needs all four corners looked at which isn't a big surprise. Managed ot remove 3 bolts form the rear subframe/crossmember & the rest seem to be well seized in. The unbelievable bit is that it looks as if someone has welded the crossmember to the body at the nearside end??? Why is anybodies guess.

The reason for not getting on with is it that I've been pulled back into racing motorbikes & been busy sorting out a bike for a meeting I want to compete in September. Once thats out of the way I'll star on "The Pest " once again.

Priorities maybe all wrong here :oops:

Col.
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