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Getting started in Hillclimbs & sprints

Post by pimpdriver » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:46 pm

If anybody is interested in starting in hillclimb & sprinting there is a new book out by Phil Short & Steve Willinson which is called 'Hillclimbing & Sprinting - the essential manual'. It looks like a very useful book with chapters on gettings started, preparation etc and circuit guides for most of the UK venues.

http://www.veloce.co.uk/shop/products/p ... %20Trucks&

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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:33 pm

:o :o :o EXCELLENT!! Better get one on my birthday list... :wink:

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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:55 am

I've ordered one...it's on its way.

....after seeing photos from the Loton Park session I'm interested to know exactly what's the bare minimum prep to get yer going.
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Post by onomatopoeia » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:25 am

Lotus-e-Clan wrote: ....after seeing photos from the Loton Park session I'm interested to know exactly what's the bare minimum prep to get yer going.
To start sprinting and hillclimbing in a "production", road legal Imp you will definitely need:
  • Competition licence, "Non-race National B" http://www.msauk.org

    Full face Helmet BS 6658 type A or A/FR, (not B). There are other allowable standards, full list in the Blue Book Section Q that comes with your competition licence.

    Overalls BS 6249 part 1 Index A or B (not C),

    Beam splitter, as defined in section L

    Off position clearly marked on the ignition switch,

    Some yellow tape around the battery earth cable

    If early front seats that don't lock to the floor at the rear you need to bolt them down.
While this list is advisory and the Blue Book should always be checked, that should be it. You do not need the following items in roadgoing: Extinguisher, roll hoop / cage, bucket seat, harnesses, flame retardant gloves or underwear.


By "production" I mean an Imp with an Imp engine block, Imp transaxle casing, Imp suspension etc, i.e. a 1240cc Imp on twin Webers with a JK 5 speed is "standard". Fitting an alternate engine (e.g. motorbike), a Hewland box, fibreglass panels (except boot and bonnet, these are often allowed to be changed) or dual wishbone front suspension would move you into a different class (either "modified" or "sports libre") with more stringent safety requirements. Using slicks puts you in modified as well.

The Blue book gives a complete, exhaustive description of everything you need to know and is the ultimate reference when disputes arise. The only thing to watch out for is roadgoing classes as the exact technical regs of what is allowed in the roadgoing classes vary around the country, for historical reasons.
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Post by rootes » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:30 am

yes also read the blue book in particular the meanings on words like 'or' 'and' , 'unless'

underline the bits that apply to your can and bookmark them so when someone (likely to the same person in my short experience) you can direct them to read the wording and counter they suggestions that your car is illegal / does nto comply etc :roll:

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ps I have an open face helmet which is accpetable for a closed car

pps and yes supplementary regs vary a lot
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Post by StuartC » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:49 am

Rootes wrote:
ps I have an open face helmet which is accpetable for a closed car
so do I but full face helmet has the advantage that photos dont show that occasional 'aaarrggh' look when you overcook it..... :lol:
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Post by onomatopoeia » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:49 am

rootes wrote: underline the bits that apply to your can and bookmark them so when someone (likely to the same person in my short experience) you can direct them to read the wording and counter they suggestions that your car is illegal / does nto comply etc :roll:
Or you can tell them to put their money on the table and make a formal eligibility protest. That'll shut them up :lol:
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Post by rootes » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:39 am

StuartC wrote:Rootes wrote:
ps I have an open face helmet which is accpetable for a closed car
so do I but full face helmet has the advantage that photos dont show that occasional 'aaarrggh' look when you overcook it..... :lol:

I have a balaclarva for that purposes.. :wink: (actully helps keep the helmet clean)
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Post by rootes » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:41 am

onomatopoeia wrote:
rootes wrote: underline the bits that apply to your can and bookmark them so when someone (likely to the same person in my short experience) you can direct them to read the wording and counter they suggestions that your car is illegal / does nto comply etc :roll:
Or you can tell them to put their money on the table and make a formal eligibility protest. That'll shut them up :lol:

well after reading the blue book together we agreed I was correct.

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Post by bazzateer » Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:25 am

onomatopoeia wrote:You do not need the following items in roadgoing:......................................underwear.
:shock: Ooohh! Going Commando eh? :lol:
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Post by GeForce Junky » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:39 pm

bazzateer wrote:
onomatopoeia wrote:You do not need the following items in roadgoing:......................................underwear.
:shock: Ooohh! Going Commando eh? :lol:
Well, just think of the weight saving! Everybody should be doing it!
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Post by bazzateer » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:43 pm

Having seen your driving a spare pair of underpants would be more appropriate! :lol:
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Post by GeForce Junky » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:30 pm

When have you seen my driving :?: You should have been at the curborough track day!
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Post by skamanfrank » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:21 pm

onomatopoeia wrote: While this list is advisory and the Blue Book should always be checked, that should be it. You do not need the following items in roadgoing: Extinguisher, roll hoop / cage, bucket seat, harnesses, flame retardant gloves or underwear.
Oh god............ you can't tell me that!! I want to take FAF sprinting now!!!!!!

Do people ever drive there.... compete.... top up the oil, and drive home?!
Isn't that what you did in VAK the other day Si?
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Post by onomatopoeia » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:39 pm

I did my first sprint in a standard 1975 Imp at Castle Combe with only those items listed in my post. I drove it there, drove it home and drove it to work on the following Monday morning, as it was my only car.

I was the slowest time of day, but had a huge amount of fun.
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Post by skamanfrank » Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:44 pm

Ah man, Harewood Hill is like spitting distance away..........!!
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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:59 pm

onomatopoeia wrote:I was the slowest time of day, but had a huge amount of fun.
I reckon it's all about having maximum fun! :o

I LOVE the idea of taking my Chamois, trying it out, developing it, trying it, developing it, trying it... You get the picture! If I am improving myself and the car, I AM winning! 8) Or am I wrong...? :wink:

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Post by bazzateer » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:59 pm

ImpManiac wrote:I AM winning! 8) Or am I wrong...?
You are ....................................... IMPMANIAC!!!
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Post by rootes » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:05 am

ImpManiac wrote:
onomatopoeia wrote:I was the slowest time of day, but had a huge amount of fun.
I reckon it's all about having maximum fun! :o

I LOVE the idea of taking my Chamois, trying it out, developing it, trying it, developing it, trying it... You get the picture! If I am improving myself and the car, I AM winning! 8) Or am I wrong...? :wink:

IM 8)
well how about youg etting down to Culham near abingdon for the oxford motor club Solo.... now that your car is running! :wink:

absolutly no excuse not to go £25...

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hiksystems/D ... tosolo.htm


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Post by apeximp » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:58 pm

now my car is nearing the end of the build i am considering entering some sprints next year to shake the car down and iron out the bugs.
am i right in thinking that sprinting is a non contact sport with few cars running at a time for a single fastest timed lap?
ie like the old days with F1 qualifing?

Should be thinking about getting the engine in the shell around the end of this mth , then spend most of nov running up and down the M40 running it in !!
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Post by ImpManiac » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:02 pm

Sprinting or speed hillclimbing is point-to-point racing against the clock, one car at a time. That is exactly why I am interested in this form of motorsport. :D The same goes for AutoSolos too. Nobody else can prang my pride and joy. If anything happens to it, it is down to me and me alone. :wink:

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Post by onomatopoeia » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:26 pm

apeximp wrote: am i right in thinking that sprinting is a non contact sport with few cars running at a time for a single fastest timed lap?
ie like the old days with F1 qualifing?
Sort of. Cars go off the start line at intervals about 20-30 seconds, so while there may be as many as four cars on the track (depending on the venue*) at the same time they are nowhere near each other. If you catch the person in front of you up that is counted as a "baulk" and you get another go. If you overtake you get some sharp words from the Clerk of the Course and you don't get another go as punishment for being naughty :lol: .

* as an example, this is the course we run at Colerne airfield:
http://www.bristolmc.org.uk/EventRegs/C ... _posts.pdf

If I am doing course control I use marshal's post 2A or just after as my release point for the next car coming off the start line, provided the start line crew have it lined up. That's about 20 seconds in all but the fastest classes. Typically that means there will be four cars on the track with one car having just crossed the finish and on the return road. The track is only licenced for four cars at a time so the timekeepers only configure their equipment for four clocks. If it's all going well I will occasionally hear "no clocks" on the headset from the timekeepers, meaning that there's a car on the line ready but all four clocks are in use for cars on the track.

In our May event where we have the MG Car Club some vintage ones can turn up, these are so slow that I have to extend the release point until they reach the middle of the main straight, around about post 3.

To give you an idea of speeds, when it's running right the Davrian just hits the recommended rev limit of 9000rpm in 5th gear (~110mph) before the braking point for the corner at post 4. However it has been tweaked a bit since the last time I competed so I might run out of revs next year. The (totally standard aside from a "performance" Solex and front Montes) Imp would hit an indicated 87mph and could just take that corner flat without even a confidence lift, making 89mph (terminal velocity on the flat for that car) before braking for the turn at post 5.
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Post by rootes » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:42 pm

apex,

what this vid:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 1856379867

that should give you an idea
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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:30 pm

Well the getting started book has arrived.

Had a quick flick...no Imps, Clans or G15s but nevermind, I didn't really expect to see any :wink:

A GB map showing the course distribution would have been nice in the section on course information.

But hey ho! there must be maps online somewhere to show this...or do I have to stick pins in my own? :shock:
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Post by skamanfrank » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:35 pm

I would have thought there'd be something on the MSA website Peter?
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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:41 pm

Frank

just had a quick look, could n't find a map specific to Hillclimbs/sprints and the site too complex to negociate in a hurry (I know, I'm a lazy bar steward) :roll:
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Post by onomatopoeia » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:31 pm

Lotus-e-Clan wrote: But hey ho! there must be maps online somewhere to show this...or do I have to stick pins in my own? :shock:
I've not seen a map showing where all the venues are, people tend to learn the local ones to them.

Whereabouts are you based?
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Post by pimpdriver » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:44 pm

A mate of mine was doing a map of all the hillclimb venues to put on the HSA website, he got it to work but then he got sidetracked into something else. I'll give him the hurry up and see if he can get it finished.

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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:05 pm

onomatopoeia wrote:
Lotus-e-Clan wrote:

Whereabouts are you based?
oooop North past 21 years

Yer know, I think it's about time I went home to the Midlands there are some very pleasant towns and villages just south of Coventry and I'd bet Midlanders are best placed for Motorsport venues.

Plus the best engineering shops are in the Midlands :shock: :wink: :shock:

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Where do you take your machining work? Bet it's somewhere in the Midlands!
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Post by rootes » Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:36 pm

postcodes and venue links on here:

http://www.racedates.net/
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