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tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by edgedj » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:28 am

Has anyone done this regularly to events? I'm going to Le mans in July for a track day and I'd like to tow my davrian on a braked a-frame behind my A4. According to UK gov website its fully legal so long as its braked and has electrics hooked up.

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Re: tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by bazzateer » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:34 pm

How will your Dav brakes be operated when towing it?
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Post by The Nun » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:34 pm

bazzateer wrote:How will your Dav brakes be operated when towing it?
Hmm never really thought about that one, how do they make the car brakes work when they are towing a modern say? very often you see Smart cars towed in such a fashion behind these Winnibago things??
Or dont they bother about such important things as being able to stop quickly?
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Re: tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by mikeyhearne » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:54 pm

I notice your link refers to a document from 2011 , the rules were changed in 2014 .
Also concider the rules in any country you will be driving to/through .
The best and safest bet would be to put it on a trailer ,( if you damage the car on the track you may not be able to get it home without a trailer anyway )
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Re: tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by mikeyhearne » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:03 pm

bazzateer wrote:How will your Dav brakes be operated when towing it?
some have a 2nd master ciylinder plumbed into the vehicle being towed that is operated in the same way as normal trailer brakes by the foward momentum pushing backwards .( now ilegal on new A frame conversions since 2014 rule changes )
there is also an Electric system but I dont know how this works .
the 2014 changes mean the tow vehicle brakes must directly operate the vehicle being towed not via momentum braking .
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Post by The Nun » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:14 pm

So would that mean all vehicles now whatever or only those made after a certain cut off date, like MOTs say, only applies to vehicles after 2014 and those before its as you were?
I would think trying to adapt older vehicles to electronics might be a nightmare.
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Re: tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by edgedj » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:26 pm

that link came from this UK gov site:

https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/towing-equipment

So it does appear legal. Aside from the obvious issue of tearing the wheels off at the event then it has to be the safest option as a car makes a better trailer than a trier with a central axle.

The braking is done by cable acting on the pedal inside the car.

it is only 90 miles though so I might just drive.

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Post by Oscarmax » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:19 pm

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Post by edgedj » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:47 pm

I do a lot of driving in France and see a lot of people doing it - the French attitude to the law is famously 'it's illegal but I'm doing it anyway' - not sure which is correct.
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Post by The Nun » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:03 pm

:? Thats the general attitude everywhere these days, a sigh of the times
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Re: tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by bazzateer » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:40 pm

The Nun wrote:
bazzateer wrote:How will your Dav brakes be operated when towing it?
Hmm never really thought about that one, how do they make the car brakes work when they are towing a modern say? very often you see Smart cars towed in such a fashion behind these Winnibago things??
Or dont they bother about such important things as being able to stop quickly?
There are proper set ups that connect to the car brakes so when the tow vehicle brakes, so does the one on tow. If a Smart and A frame weigh less than 750kg they won't need brakes will they?
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Post by bazzateer » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:43 pm

The Nun wrote::? Thats the general attitude everywhere these days, a sigh of the times
Often accompanied by a 'tut' and a shake of the head. :lol:
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Re: tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by OldImp » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:16 am

Many years ago I was told by a dealer not to tow an Imp for more than twenty miles as it will damage the gearbox. This is because the bearings rely on the gears turning to splash lubricate them. This doesn't happen when the box is in neutral.
Hiring a trailer will make your journey much more relaxed and quicker.
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Re: tow davrian on a-frame?

Post by bazzateer » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:18 am

OldImp wrote:Many years ago I was told by a dealer not to tow an Imp for more than twenty miles as it will damage the gearbox. This is because the bearings rely on the gears turning to splash lubricate them. This doesn't happen when the box is in neutral.
Hiring a trailer will make your journey much more relaxed and quicker.
That makes sense until you consider some of the Dutch crew tow theirs for hundreds of miles on A frames. Then again, our illustrious leader ("All hail Caeser!") knackered his transaxle en route to Imp12. Go figure! (As our Americanese cousins would say).
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