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Crash Hat question

Postby wiskid » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:18 am

Long time since I needed a crash hat and things have changed greatly in motorsport since then. Can anyone tell me the scrutineer requirements for crash hats in a road going car in sprints and hill climbs etc but no racing or track days.

What is the difference between Snell 2005 approved and Snell 2010 approved and how long does that approval last for?

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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby bks974c » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:54 am

Ian

Log into MSA and check out the current yearbook (Blue Book) for specs.
Extract here :

INTERNATIONAL EVENTS & ALL MSA EVENTS.
FIA 8860-2004.
SNELL SA2010.
SNELL SA2005.
SNELL SA2000*.
SNELL SAH2010.
SFI Foundation 31.1A, 31.2A.
BS 6658 Type A/FR**.
*May be withdrawn with effect from 01/01/15.
**May be withdrawn with effect from 01/01/16.
(b) In addition the following are acceptable for:
International and MSA National Kart Racing Events
(with exception of International Kart Drivers under 15
years of age and Cadet/Bambino Drivers*):
• SNELL K98 and K2005
• SNELL K2010
• SNELL – FIA CMR2007
• SNELL – FIA CMS2007
International Kart Drivers under 15 years of age and
Cadet/Bambino Drivers. The weight of the helmet
may be checked at any time during an event and
must not weigh more than 1,550g:
• SNELL – FIA CMR2007
• SNELL – FIA CMS2007
*From 1st January 2011 all Cadet drivers require
the Snell – FIA CMR2007/CMS2007 helmet
standard.
From 1st January 2013 all National Kart Drivers
under 15 years of age will require the Snell - FIA
CMR2007/CMS2007 helmet standard.
Note: Snell standards can be verified by either a self
adhesive label or a cloth label. The self adhesive label
has a silvered background and the cloth label will
approximate to the colour chart on page 178.
Part of the approval procedure is to affix an MSA
sticker to the outside of the helmet in the approximate
location of the driver’s right ear.
Stickers may only be affixed by selected scrutineers, by
the MSA at Motor Sports House, or by selected
manufacturers, after the helmet has been checked for
conformity with the standard required and is
considered to be in a satisfactory condition.
MSA approval stickers, for which a fee of £2.00 is
charged, are printed on foil, and once individually
affixed, cannot be reapplied. Note: Stickers supplied
since 01/01/08 are individually numbered.
Note that helmet standards are regularly reviewed and
updated, and superseded. Standards will periodically
cease to be acceptable; hence an element of ‘lifing’ will
always remain.
Helmets approved for use in all disciplines require a
blue MSA sticker to be affixed. Helmets which are
accepted for use in kart racing only require a green or
yellow where applicable MSA sticker to be affixed.
These stickers are available from issuing scrutineers.



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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby wiskid » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:10 pm

Thanks Scott, very full answer

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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby bks974c » Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:21 pm

The wonders of copy and paste :D

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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby Henry Webster » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:55 am

Well worth taking a visit to one of the motorsport superstores and trying on a few different brands and sizes.

Bell have consistently been the most comfortable for me.

As it's a really key safety item, it's well worth spending the money and getting the best you can afford.

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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby Henry Webster » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:58 am

Or take a trip to Race Retro this weekend, see some great Imps and numerous other fascinating cars and try on some helmets whilst you are there. The big motorsport shops usually bring quite a lot of stock.
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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby Rod » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:44 am

Hmmm... crash helmets. Do we really need all these standards and regular changes of approval "outlawing" older helmets? I competed in maybe 20 stage rallies between 1974 and 1990. During that time I needed 3 helmets. Yet none of them were damaged, misused or even marked in any way. Was I really any safer in 1990 than I was in 1974? In the event of an accident would the use of the latest helmet have been immediately obvious? I very much doubt it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that improvements shouldn't be made or approvals changed but should competitors be forced to throw away perfectly serviceable items not because they are dangerous or damaged but because the latest is deemed incrementally better? The same really applies to belts and seats.

I have been told that the real reason for these changes is to "life" them. But wouldn't it make more sense if a helmet came with a "log book"? Every time it was used a scrutineer noted it and then after a certain number of usages its life would be over. Then only the latest approval standards would be allowed on the market so an upgrade would have to happen but it wouldn't penalise the occasional competitor so much.

To those who are saying that safety should always be paramount, where would the cost of a new helmet replacing a perfectly serviceable one be better spent? On that helmet or, say, a brake upgrade?
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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby benwick3 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:26 am

Rod,

Times have changed since your experience in respect of helmets for motorsports. Specifications have remained constant for a number of years since that period and I have a Sparco Helmet to BS6658 Type A/FR that I've had for at some 6-7 years that looks like it's going to be OK to at least 2016. It's is now a spare as I updated 2 years ago to a Hans compatable one at a reasonable price.

With the recent influx of cheaper, but still good quality, helmets from China in the last couple of years I've noticed that most of the major names have introduced budget models. On personal experience I can recommend the Hedtec range for both price and quality. I would, however, recommend trying before buying to ensure that you get the right fit.

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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby Dogsbody » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:44 am

A second vote for Hedtec as a Good quality and priced crash helmet.
The company who I use for trackdays (Motorsport Events) do a good deal on them
https://orders.motorsport-events.com/ProductList.aspx?id=15635837-b5bb-4536-81dd-5030b35d38bf

Personally I think I have the best crash helmet ever made.
Its OK for track days and on the trike, but has expired for racing.
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Re: Crash Hat question

Postby Rod » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:12 pm

benwick3 wrote:Rod,

Times have changed since your experience in respect of helmets for motorsports. Specifications have remained constant for a number of years since that period and I have a Sparco Helmet to BS6658 Type A/FR that I've had for at some 6-7 years that looks like it's going to be OK to at least 2016. It's is now a spare as I updated 2 years ago to a Hans compatable one at a reasonable price.

With the recent influx of cheaper, but still good quality, helmets from China in the last couple of years I've noticed that most of the major names have introduced budget models. On personal experience I can recommend the Hedtec range for both price and quality. I would, however, recommend trying before buying to ensure that you get the right fit.

Pete Richards


Pete, you're right I am out of date on all this! I've just checked out Hedtec, looks like remarkable value, I think I paid more than that for my last helmet back in the '80's :roll:

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