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Historic Stage Rallying

Post by Nigel Webster (anrw) » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:13 am

Many thanks for all those who have helped with advice over the building of my car. It's first gravel stage outing is tomorrow 13th August at the Neath Valley Stages at Walters Arena (South Wales).

http://www.threecountiescarclub.com/ind ... 5&Itemid=3

Sadly we will be the only Imp out but anybody interested will be very welcome to come and support us. There are two one hour service intervals so there will hopefully be time to chat. Look for the Friesian Racing Sprinter in the service area.

If you can't make it we'll post a report on our website next week. http://www.friesianracing.co.uk

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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by Peter Hurst » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:16 pm

Its a good venue but was a bit rough to say the least so take care. It may have been regraded recently
The other year was marshalling on a road rally that used walters arena early in the event so went to have a look.
Bearing in mind this was a road rally and the cars do not have to be stage prepared lots of competitors wreaked their cars (ofcouse they could have driven slower)
Friends competing in a Rover 200 survived and finished the event but had to scrap the car after as there was so much damage to the underneath and suspension
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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by GURNSIMPS » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:55 am

Would that be H.O.V.A.C.'s 1000 lanes Peter? It has been graded since and a few new roads opened,its an awesome venue,mate of mine is co-driving in grp 4 Escort so will pop over and say hi to the imp crew.
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Post by GURNSIMPS » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:55 pm

Said Hi to Nigel and Henry Webster today really nice approachable people they are too,Myself and Adam loved thier Chamois its really well prepared and goes well too
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This is it in action, I'm hoping the Websters will let us know how they got on and what they thought of the venue/organisation.
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Post by Rod » Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:44 pm

Best of luck guys, nice to see another historic stage rally Imp, well Chamois, out and about. :D
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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by Nigel Webster (anrw) » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:11 am

Many thanks to Gurnsimps for coming up to us in service. We were a little preoccupied as this was our first gravel event but is was good to know he was there waving the Imp flag for us!. Walters Arena has a reputation for being rough but new and unused tracks had been opened up for the Neath Valley Stages and all of them had been re-graded. This didn't stop them being slippery though. Consistent drizzle during the previous days and overnight left the surface like glass. The 'historics' went through first, and stages one and two were the worst - I was learning the car and the car was learning me! Stages 3 and 4 (re run of 1 and 2 after the whole field had been through) were much better provided you stayed on the racing line where there was grip. Off this the poor Chamois was liable to be buried in deep marbles trying hard to get the revs up battling with the power sapping material and waiting to get grip and be back in the power zone (R21 is probably less suited to these conditions especially when you get off line).

We came 16th out of 18 in the historics with the smallest engine and had a good day. The organisation was exceptionally good and the event was most enjoyable. It would be great to have some more Imps out to do the historic stage rallies.

Have a look at You Tube


We are at about 2:51 mins but don't blink.

Otherwise there are pictures at:


Slight wiff of smoke on the over-run will have to be investigated once we've cleared the layer of mud top and bottom.

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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by GURNSIMPS » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:12 am

Hi Nigel,can You let us know if you are competing in Wales again in the future please,Myself and Adam will come along and have a longer chat next time.
Well done on finishing the event,there was a slight wiff of smoke off the start line too Nigel but it sounded and went sweet as a nut when it passed us, not a huge problem I wouldn't have thought...I can imagine that your r21 was 'bogging' down all the time in the muddy conditions?
The Mini Clubman went off the start line of stage 2 and went off on the hairpin in front of us and had to be dragged out by the Unimog! :roll:
My mate who was co-driving for Johnathan Brace were 3rd overall but going into stage 3 the clutch release bearing went bang! end of sport. :(
A Subaru crew had a massive accident but I am pleased to report both crew are ok,can't say the same for the car though!!
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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by jackp » Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:57 am

A couple of pictures from a very damp Walters Arena, it was great to see the lone Imp finish in what were very difficult conditions.

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Post by Rod » Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:39 am

Oooohhh, that one bend looks rough. Is that typical of forest stages these days? Last competed in a forest around 1990. Out marshalling on the Sunseeker earlier in the year and noticed how badly the stage cut up. Perhaps I'll have to abandon my "long term" plan to get out there again....
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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by Nigel Webster (anrw) » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:43 pm

Rod - Actually the stages were relatively smooth (but seriously slippery). Walters is a disused open cast coal site and the surface is a sort of shale/coal type of material mixed with mud. There seems to be no drainage downwards so the water sits on the surface and mixes with the mud to give a very unpredictable surface. It wasn't rough and I can't even remember where that particular photo was taken, Pete ('JACKP')may know - I have no recollection of anything that looks that dramatic! I guess it may be the fore-shortening effect of the camera lens?

All I can say, having spent 6 hours yesterday getting about 50kgs of Walters Arena off the car (and service van), there is no apparent damage to the car.

So don't be put off coming back to stage rallying as you can pick and choose the events and ensure you keep away from the rough ones (like Sweet Lamb used this year by the Mid Wales stages round of the BHRC). We need lots more Imps out in historic stage rallying.

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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by jackp » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:54 am

Rod,
Nigel is correct considering that this was the first event on most of the tracks used at Walters for this event, another point to consider is that the format of this event is particularly compact and some of the photos were taken on the third pass of the same stage by the competitors.

I know that I am biased but you would be hard pushed to find better gravel stages than those in the Neath Valley, yes Walter's is particularly slippery after a good soaking but the other local stages such as Resolfen, Rheola, Rhonnda and Margam are amonst the very best.

Rally GB will not use these stages this year which means that when the Neath Valley and Swansea Bay rallies run next year the stages should be in prime condition.

For reference the photo at the drop off is taken where the stage took a hairpin left off what is traditionally the Rally GB stage onto a new road (Juntion 1 on stage 2).

It is always great to see Imp's out on historic events so please don't be put off and as Nigel says pick your event's carefully and I'm sure the car will be OK.

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Post by Rod » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:24 pm

Thanks for the encouragement, the real problems are time and finance. Oh and anno domini, bus pass I have already not many years to go for state pension...

I always reckoned Welsh stages were pretty smooth, Wareham Forest always did cut up badly but the worst was Thetford Forest. Transverse ridges across the track were literally vibrating every nut & bolt apart!
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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by Nigel Webster (anrw) » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:27 pm

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And guess who has taken up rallying again at 63?

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Re: HRCR - Neath Valley Stages

Post by Henry Webster » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:32 pm

anrw wrote:Rod
And guess who has taken up rallying again at 63?

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And he's not at all bad for an old dog, I can testify from the other seat! ;-) A bit rusty, but nothing a bit of match practice won't sort and time in the car! Might give me the opportunity to get up-to-speed on the notes too!

The reason there is a bit of a drop in the photo is that they widened a downhill acute hairpin corner by removing some of the marker drums, as a few people were failing to get round and were falling off the track the other side. It was fine with care, too much enthusiasm is always a problem, though!

I was impressed with the condition of the stages, they caused very few winces inside the car. They were however incredibly slippery so taking care was the order of the day. Nonetheless finishing the end of the day in front of a TR4 and a Mini were a highlight!

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Re: Historic Stage Rallying

Post by Nigel Webster (anrw) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:34 am

This weekend at the Cambrian Rally ( http://www.cambrianrally.co.uk/ ) may be the last opportunity this year to see an 'Imp' on a multi venue stage rally as the BHRC championship has ended prematurely with the cancellation of the Isle of Man rally.

Henry and I will be out again on Saturday at this rally that uses two of the classic Wales Rally GB stages - Clocaenog and the Great Orme. Spectator facilities are excellent see ( http://www.cambrianrally.co.uk/spectators ) and if you are going all that way to see only one Imp (Chamois actually) you will see one of the most spectacular rally cars running for what is probably it's last UK event - Andy Burton in his Peugeot Cosworth which 'some say' sounds even better than an Imp in the forests!

We would welcome your support along the route or at Service or scrutineering (Friday at 16:30). Mike Dent ('Moose') is heading up the service crew with the support of Sam Thompson.

Come along if you can and take some photographs. Great Orme is at Llanddudno and close to the A55 and should be spectacular to watch (even more so if we haven't had management service time to change to tarmac tyres for the twisty waters edge stage!)

If you need specific details mail me on nigel@anrw.co.uk
Hope to see some Imp friends in North Wales.

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Re: Historic Stage Rallying

Post by Nigel Webster (anrw) » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:39 pm

Future posts on this subject will,from now on, be posted on the "Rally Forum - Sticky like the HSA forum" thread. I have posted the latest update on this thread a few minutes ago.

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