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Big block V8 power or....

Post by Grumpyoldmen » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:07 pm

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Everybody seems to be so keen on big block V8 power, but the driver in the BDA 1600 managed to follow the GT40 all the way to the finish line. First and second place. Proves that 8cyl. is not everything.
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Post by Meltdown » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:11 pm

Straight line speed versus agility. Plus (no offence to them as I don't know them) driver ability. Where is it?
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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:32 pm

Meltdown wrote:Straight line speed versus agility. Plus (no offence to them as I don't know them) driver ability. Where is it?
Sports-car-meeting 2011 in Sweden last weekend. The BDA driver is Tommy Kjehr, Denmark and he is clever.
He did actually pass at the twisty part one lap but then we have that long straight (always that long straight on every track!)
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Post by Meltdown » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:47 pm

:lol: Silverstone has 3 long straights! I'm torn as to which noise I'd prefer - BDA at full song or V8 growl :lol:
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Post by apeximp » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:56 am

Or a imp unit pulling 9000 rpm with the valves just about to bounce and screaming ......... :D
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Post by M'coli » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:13 am

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Meltdown wrote:Straight line speed versus agility. Plus (no offence to them as I don't know them) driver ability. Where is it?
Sports-car-meeting 2011 in Sweden last weekend. The BDA driver is Tommy Kjehr, Denmark and he is clever.
He did actually pass at the twisty part one lap but then we have that long straight (always that long straight on every track!)
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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:00 am

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Meltdown wrote:Straight line speed versus agility. Plus (no offence to them as I don't know them) driver ability. Where is it?
Sports-car-meeting 2011 in Sweden last weekend. The BDA driver is Tommy Kjehr, Denmark and he is clever.
He did actually pass at the twisty part one lap but then we have that long straight (always that long straight on every track!)
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Post by onomatopoeia » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:54 am

apeximp wrote:Or a imp unit pulling 9000 rpm with the valves just about to bounce and screaming ......... :D
Comp double valve springs bounce at 10200, in my experience :oops:
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Post by apeximp » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:24 am

Read again !!! I said JUST about to bounce !
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Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:05 pm

One video on YouTube that I enjoy watching (twice now in full :) ) depicts a Caterham Superlight something-or-other - 263 bhp Ford Duratec - battling with a Porsche GT2 at the Nuerburgring. The Porsche probably has twice the power of the Caterham and a zillion gizmos to keep the car on the track. Guess which car wins. :wink:

I love the sound of tuned big block Yank V8s - AC Cobra 427s, Ford GT40 Mk IIs, Corvettes, etc. - but also the sound of a highly strung four pot Coventry Climax, Lotus Twink, BDA, Imp engine, bike motor and so on. Also everything in between - think Latin V12, Matra V12, Bugatti straight eight, BMW straight six, Ford Cosworth GAA V6... I loves it all, I does! :lol: :wink: Tuned and many more mundane engines can have an aural quality of their own, IMHO.

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Re: Big block V8 power or....

Post by Meltdown » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:18 pm

/\/\You've missed out the best of them all...BRM V16 :D
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Post by ImpManiac » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:53 pm

^^ :oops: So I did. I have actually seen and heard one up close and personal too. :P What a car! :mrgreen: And what a NOISE! :o

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Re: Big block V8 power or....

Post by Lars Hagermark » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:57 pm

Meltdown wrote:/\/\You've missed out the best of them all...BRM V16 :D
Also the BRM H16 in the sixties.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by Meltdown » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:00 pm

Of course popping an unsilenced Rolls Royce Merlin lump in your car gets a few looks too :twisted:
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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:27 pm

I have a bike so my opinion is: 2 cylinders is one to much! :twisted:

But as as an admirer of Pratt & Whitney I would like to point out the aircraft radial engine R-4360: 28 cyl. 4363 cub.inch (71 liter) 4000 Hp.
And one important thing: It could deliver that hour after hour in the air, from one continent to another. Not just screaming around on a racetrack for 45 minutes and then in for another overhaul.
That's an engine!
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Re: Big block V8 power or....

Post by Meltdown » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:20 pm

Grumpyoldmen wrote:I have a bike so my opinion is: 2 cylinders is one to much! :twisted:

But as as an admirer of Pratt & Whitney I would like to point out the aircraft radial engine R-4360: 28 cyl. 4363 cub.inch (71 liter) 4000 Hp.
And one important thing: It could deliver that hour after hour in the air, from one continent to another. Not just screaming around on a racetrack for 45 minutes and then in for another overhaul.
That's an engine!
So from the bike point of view you'd appreciate a Thumper, and the aero engine is clearly HUGE, and they both probably fire once every lamp post :lol: Splendid :D
But when it comes to bikes you need three not one cylinder IMHO :D
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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:35 pm

Meltdown wrote: So from the bike point of view you'd appreciate a Thumper, and the aero engine is clearly HUGE, and they both probably fire once every lamp post :lol: Splendid :D
That lamppost point of view is molto importante!
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Post by M'coli » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:58 pm

For some reason, I don't really like the sound of tuned, cross-plane V8s (or flat-plane, come to think of it - V6 turbos in F1 is a great idea to me). For some reason, I seem to like the sound that engines with cylinder numbers divisible by an odd prime sound best - and just to be perverse, I have the BRM V16 sound as my message alert!
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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:24 pm

3 cyl. .....yes some balance can be found............instead of two pistons going together up and down. From a technical point of view, that is quite unpleasant!
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Re: Big block V8 power or....

Post by Meltdown » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:03 am

Grumpyoldmen wrote:
Meltdown wrote: So from the bike point of view you'd appreciate a Thumper, and the aero engine is clearly HUGE, and they both probably fire once every lamp post :lol: Splendid :D
That lamppost point of view is molto importante!
THUD...........................................THUD........................................THUD....................................
Mind you, I've heard that if you get the kickstart wrong it'l send you through the garage roof :lol:
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Meltdown wrote:
Grumpyoldmen wrote:
Meltdown wrote: So from the bike point of view you'd appreciate a Thumper, and the aero engine is clearly HUGE, and they both probably fire once every lamp post :lol: Splendid :D
That lamppost point of view is molto importante!
THUD...........................................THUD........................................THUD....................................
Mind you, I've heard that if you get the kickstart wrong it'l send you through the garage roof :lol:
But why do it wrong??? Why insert the piston rings wrong?? Why change gear below the power curve at the same time you are going to overtake someone to win a race? :mrgreen:
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:44 am

M'coli wrote:For some reason, I don't really like the sound of tuned, cross-plane V8s (or flat-plane, come to think of it - V6 turbos in F1 is a great idea to me).
Not even this MGB GT V8 at Crystal Palace, filmed by me? :mrgreen:

Or this Mazda "RX-5.7?" :mrgreen:

Or a big block Chevrolet 427 cubic inch (7-litre) engine?
M'coli wrote:For some reason, I seem to like the sound that engines with cylinder numbers divisible by an odd prime sound best - and just to be perverse, I have the BRM V16 sound as my message alert!
BRM V16 on YouTube...

BRM H16 sounds on YouTube...

Five-banger Audi lump spitting flame and sounding fierce...

Lamborghini Countach V12: tearing calico...

Bevan Imp recreation at Crystal Palace, filmed by yours truly. Distortion evident but still sounding lovely!

Ahhh. Engine music... :mrgreen:

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Post by M'coli » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:10 pm

Don't get me wrong, they all sound much better than the commentator: but I prefer V8s to be woofling rather than snarling.
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:37 pm

M'coli wrote:Don't get me wrong, they all sound much better than the commentator...
:lol: Too right! :roll:

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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:13 pm

Yes, yes, this engine music is all right. But one thing is not all right, as a matter of fact: I HATE IT!! It's when I see a race video and instead of the sound of screaming race cars, someone has replaced the car noise with hard rock music... or hip-hop.....or techno.. or whatever. A beautiful Jaguar is sailing against the camera. Do I hear the great open-exhaust six-pot engine? No, I hear some stupid music!!! Grrrrr :evil:
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:13 pm

^^ Got to agree. :wink:

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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:27 am

The BDA is a fantastic older engine with plenty siad about it. We developed 2 Toyota 4age 16 valve 1600cc engines. Just like a BDA but japanese and more reliable. One made 202hp on the dyno for circuit which went in a spaceframe and still holds all lap records for under 1600cc at many circuits in uk and One which made 185hp for autograss.

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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:14 am

Video from the race at Knutstorp!! There where some hot moments!!
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Post by ImpManiac » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:48 pm

speeddemon wrote:The BDA is a fantastic older engine...
You are not wrong... :wink:
speeddemon wrote:...Toyota 4age 16 valve 1600cc engines. Just like a BDA but japanese and more reliable.
And again you are quite right! :) Plus they come in 20-valve and supercharged flavours too! :o

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Post by onomatopoeia » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:54 am

Lets have an Imp engine in this topic :lol:

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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:49 am

Ooooh, Doune Hill, narrow road and hard railings!!
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Post by Meltdown » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:58 pm

Kinda on topic, a pair of Spitfires flew over here earlier this afternoon :D (Bletchley Park is just down the road) Wonderful noise :D
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Post by Grumpyoldmen » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:27 pm

To continue the OT: I am interested in Bletchley Park, and is considering a visit when coming to UK in the end of Aug.
Anyone who has been there?
Well, to be honest I guess I am one of the very few who is interested in the encryption stuff and appliances from the WW2.
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Post by Meltdown » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:36 pm

Grumpyoldmen wrote:To continue the OT: I am interested in Bletchley Park, and is considering a visit when coming to UK in the end of Aug.
Anyone who has been there?
Well, to be honest I guess I am one of the very few who is interested in the encryption stuff and appliances from the WW2.
I can fully recommend it :D Try to go there on one of their feature days for extra interest plus a fly-past given by the Battle of Britain Memorial. Often have a Spit or Hurricane, occasionally the Lancaster or Dakota.
Here's some links:-
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www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf
BTW, forget Hollywood, the Yanks had nowt to do with Enigma...
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Post by bungi » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:34 pm

500cc v4 2 stroke on full chat what a fantastic noise
i dont half miss the 2 strokes in motogp racing :cry:
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Post by eebiegeebie » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:47 pm

Sorry for continuing the OT, but I went to Bletchley Park on Wednesday! We were on a group visit and had a guided tour, which is definitely recommended. Be aware that not all of it is open mid-week, so better to go at a weekend perhaps?
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Post by ImpManiac » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:44 pm

Two-stroke engines can also sound rather good. 8) I recall a 3-cylinder DKW stroker at Goodwood FOS many years ago. VERY loud! :shock: The middle cylinder acted as a supercharger for the two outer cylinders. Quite clever.

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Post by onomatopoeia » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:48 am

Grumpyoldmen wrote:To continue the OT: I am interested in Bletchley Park, and is considering a visit when coming to UK in the end of Aug.
Anyone who has been there?
Well, to be honest I guess I am one of the very few who is interested in the encryption stuff and appliances from the WW2.
It's a fascinating place and one day isn't really enough to see it all.

If you have any old valves (electronic, not inlet/exhaust!) they are collecting for the Colossus replica to keep it running.
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Post by M'coli » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:22 am

ImpManiac wrote:Two-stroke engines can also sound rather good. 8) I recall a 3-cylinder DKW stroker at Goodwood FOS many years ago. VERY loud! :shock: The middle cylinder acted as a supercharger for the two outer cylinders. Quite clever.

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THAT Deek! I first thought on the post-war cars, but the one you describe is the split-cylinder 2-stroke with asymmetric port timing. In its day, you were supposed to be able to hear it all the way around the Mountain ciruit on the IOM, and on the mainland too... :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:36 am

M'coli wrote:In its day, you were supposed to be able to hear it all the way around the Mountain ciruit on the IOM, and on the mainland too... :shock: :shock: :shock:
:lol: I wouldn't be a bit surprised! :D

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