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Post by Turboimp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:47 pm

Earling Jensen's spaceframe 998 stiletto , multi outright championship winning car in the castle combe special GT championship in the 1990s looked after by Ray Payne . Its best time was 1:06 in practice ( 1:07 in the races ) on the old circuit , thats averaging 100 mph .., The most successful space frame Imp of the later years having won the same championship outright in Brian cuttings hands on more than one occasion It was a giant Killer :D
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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:52 pm

I own the body moulds which i purchased a few years ago that came from an owner that owned this earling jensen special imp,nice to see this pictures as ive not seen it before

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Post by knocker » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:00 pm

Keith who was that then! PM me if you want.
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:04 pm

[quote][/quote]Earling Jensen's spaceframe 998 stiletto , multi outright championship winning car in the castle combe special GT championship in the 1990s looked after by Ray Payne . Its best time was 1:06 in practice ( 1:07 in the races ) on the old circuit , thats averaging 100 mph .., The most successful space frame Imp of the later years having won the same championship outright in Brian cuttings hands on more than one occasion It was a giant Killer

is this not your car rob

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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:08 pm

Guys i think weve created a monster imp forum race page its wonderful,it is better than meeting demi moore,john donald from ireland started it on thursday night and were heading for 90 plus posts,the good thing is anyone thats posted has an interest and more important alot have actually a race imp themselfs,let get this day organised


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Post by chris » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:11 pm

would I be invited with my fake one lol
Wanted..... FREE STILETTO...... PM Me...........worth a try haha :)
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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:15 pm

Why wouldnt you be,your work is stunning well done to you,you are a genuine lad i know you are

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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:16 pm

yes mate we woulnt leave you out in the cold :)

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Post by knocker » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:19 pm

Yes Colin that why i wanted to know who the owner was.
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Post by stuartbrownsey » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:28 pm

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This bike engined imp was for sale on piston heads a few weeks ago for £7500 (now sold)
Does anybody know who bought it ?

I think Tim Duffee (Mr Darrian) has the body moulds
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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:37 pm

same here, i saw it advertised and wondered who bought it. i think its in the shape of the moulds you say.
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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:39 pm

I have moulds for this jedi imp,also robert your car belonged to phil lomas,george douglas in the west country they raced it at castle combe gt silloutte championship,the jedi imp went back to scotland according to one guy,it was seen on the strannear ferry boat last tuesday evening,before that it belonged to ken steed newtonards co down,also his brother has les998 old black maguire stilletto,before that it went to mira to be wind tested,his name is mark steed both genuine guys and i know them cause we race together,there is a picture of the three cars including mine at a hillclimb in banbridge i will try to dig it out,guys this is exciting we have something special going here


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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:41 pm

think it went to ireland but its not davrian paneled but nice looking car
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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:52 pm

Keith your quite right, theres alot of interest here and as colin as pointed out theres a new site called 'the hundreds and thousands society' which you can join for nothing.

However if we are gonna rebuild or build new cars and are gonna have any chance of racing we need some BODY PANELS. Keith if you have the 2 sets and wanna get people on the road no point them sitting there idol get them up and running at a good price and lets get cracking . Maybe your the key to it.

Carnt wait to hear from you and see your collection

ps still no pics of that CHIMP
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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:59 pm

i am checking my pictures right now,i will help anyone at any time day or night,but as i dont contruct the panels myself at my premises it get s harder when you have to pay i will treat people fair but i need to cover what i spend

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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:12 pm

If people are building them or want to build them, this is one of the things we must look at. Like i said its no good something sitting there and wanting heavy money and nobody buys it. Its not what i would call making sense. theres also the way we are all living at the moment. REcession! which as effected everyone.

However if we can get the panels at a great price im sure we could get more cars out there running. Whilst we are getting a lot of interest on this thread let us have the best prices so we can get on with it.

Im an honest guy and if for some reason i cannot get the panels at sensible money Id be pretty upset and would probably go buy something else.

As you said you have a man who has done the work for you, maybe it would be worth a look around for a new contact as fibreglassing is on the downturn that you could find cheaper.

the reason i say this as i know a few companies that make bodies for hotrods in kevlar and there under a grand and the cars are bigger cars.

Dont think im being funny about your price as i know you love imps and im sure you will come up trumps with a good package . let us know asap.
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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:17 pm

ok get the car ready and we can look at it then but if i get three car shells we can work alot better faster and it saves me boxing it,transporting to different locations,i wont go away from the guy i currently use ive known him allmy life keith
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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:25 pm

keith, dont think that would work as you carnt build a car without the silhouette ? I dont understand the case of saying do 3 body shells cos if theres interest and there at the right money you want to be thinking 10 minimum. But people aint gonna get involved unless the price is right. There is a lot of love for them and theres a lot of shit out there waiting to be completed, but i can tell you the main thing holding the job back is the body shells and the price, thats what people have said to me previously.

find me that pic of the chimp it must be on your pc somewhere.
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by les998 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:32 pm

Hi,

The answer to who bought the yellow Jedi Stiletto on piston heads is George Gunn up in the north of Scotland, He Raced Imps in the 80s at Ingliston and Knockhill, and he has decided that he is coming out to play again. 8)
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Post by Meltdown » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:33 pm

I believe Tim Duffee still has the moulds for the Davrian.
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:35 pm

I think were all getting a bit excited about all these cars that were out there but most are in bits or have been taken apart and sold or scrapped ,but i have seen this all before on another forum loads of intrest in special saloons racing but it always falls flat ,i do hope that the best way forward is the hundread thousand series and for it to work people need to join up and be prepared to take there cars to a photo shoot for a magazine article if and when gerry richards get the knod , until then keep the pictures coming and building them cars and i will be busy playing with my imp at lydden and anglesey and hope to do mondello as well this season


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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:47 pm

OK bring on the orders,imps have never been a cheap car no motorsport is my engine and box would cost todays prices 10 thousand pounds yes that right 10 thousand pounds but its a full blooded out and out racer,i would put it up against alot of more powerful machinery on track and i would be past them,if you going to build an imp to race in hts forum rules etc it will have to be fitted with a imp engine or rootes engine,i am now a member of that society and i will help what ever way i can,everyone need to see what is the way forward for them,i wont let anyone down when it comes to imps etc


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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:48 pm

colin any chance of you being at the Ace vehicle saloons at Oulton park It may have changed its name this yrear again. be good to catch you there.

Colin talking sensible again.
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Post by knocker » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:51 pm

Well said colin and if you want someone to race with let me know,will be there.Have sorted a few pictures out so soon as i get the hang of this photobucket will post them.
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Post by big J » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:57 pm

Perhaps another perspective-
hopefully Gerrys series takes off and we have good grids out racing.People look on,think that looks fun,how do I get involved and be competitive?

You can pick up a cheap Imp out the bay of death,but oftentimes,the shell will need a lot of work even for racing.

Sooooooooooo,I've been thinking................
I know,I know,I knooooooooooowwwwww :lol:

Could we maybe get some dimensions/sizes/a basic template for building a semi-spaceframe or similar?
It could provide a way for folks who cant afford 3 or 4 grand on a race engine to go faster(less weight),maybe mean that even a scrap Imp without any floor left could be reincarnated?Even with an 875 sport motor,losing 50-100 kilos would be fast enough?

A basic floorpan which could incorporate suspension pick-up points surely could be worked out?Look at what Duk is doing with his Husky.

There's plenty of home built locosts out there,a basic Imp chassis should be as straightforward?

Thoughts?


***post edited to include comments from Kevan McLurg
Erling Jensens Maguire Imp was Brian Cuttings 2nd Maguire Stiletto.His first went to Pat Mannion,this car later written off?The 2nd car sold to Phil Lomas of Mobile Windscreens,then to Erling?****
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Post by Turboimp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:01 pm

some more from my archives ...
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Post by Turboimp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:06 pm

A few More
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Post by Turboimp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:11 pm

And some more ...
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:15 pm

mike this is for you from keith its a picture of the chimp
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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:17 pm

Colin,Was it an ugly looking thing?
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:23 pm

To answer big j question on building a semi space frame car ,well my dad came up with the design of his tube work and as i was an apprentice welder at the time i welded it all into place and that was in the early 80s nothing has moved todate ,i would be willing to build semi spaceframe cars as in a copy of what i race and could be built with a 3 inch centre line chop so the maguire or jade panels would fit or standard height shell so rawlson panels ,this would probly be cheaper than going full space frame but you would need to find a half decent floor to start with

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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:28 pm

Col thats a great starting point. As you will probaly know i think the main loop in new cars has to be certian material and thickness If anything comes to fruition. Maybe a look in the regs would be a good idea , but at least we have some progress. just need some cars LOL
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Post by maguire imp » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:33 pm

Colins idea is good,i may have a good floor pan i would have to look,it would be free to take if i had,that may help someone,also colin and dan rooney are very expert people with imps history has shown this we could have tin tops light panels,or semi spaceframed,or full spaceframes any thing is do able

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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:47 pm

I have a man whos expert in spaceframes called anthony ross from ARD he has a stand at NEc next week, Ive spoken to him and we have had a good conversation and he wants to get involved. Hes not expensive and wants to try and get into the circuit job . Hes done some minis and other saloons but has never done an imp

I have done much spaceframing but when you are using CDS or t45 or the other spec materials you need a special bender to form the loops. once one is completed the rest are easy.

Its always tough starting from scratch, i think its always best to start off with a raced car or a nearly there project as new built cars would cost alot more and i would think to be fairly competetive with the imp engine a few quid needs spending.

Theres has to be a plan, first the shell and chassis, running gear and ancilleries then engine and gearbox. It can turn into alot of money buying all new or even a refurb.

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Post by big J » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:54 pm

colin rooney wrote:To answer big j question on building a semi space frame car ,well my dad came up with the design of his tube work and as i was an apprentice welder at the time i welded it all into place and that was in the early 80s nothing has moved todate ,i would be willing to build semi spaceframe cars as in a copy of what i race and could be built with a 3 inch centre line chop so the maguire or jade panels would fit or standard height shell so rawlson panels ,this would probly be cheaper than going full space frame but you would need to find a half decent floor to start with

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That's kinda what I was wondering,Col.It's the finding a good floorpan,could a floorpan,say, be made that takes an Imp shell and front bulkhead from the top of the sills upwards?I'm thinking of the white Mason Stiletto that Alan put pictures up of.

Many shells seem to have rotten sills and rear suspension crossmembers,so maybe if a floorpan/semi spaceframe could incorporate these features,it could move a build along a lot faster than a fella having to do loads of repairs,cost and time,before even starting any race preparation?

I might be talking crap,it's just a thought? :lol:
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:00 pm

few more spaceframed cars i found in my collection
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i know its not an imp but this kitten does have an imp engine car is owned by ginger marshal
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and rob knox;s ray car before rob bought it
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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:05 pm

Hi thats probably not the best route. Either stick with the original floorpan and semi spaceframe it like cols and some of the mason imps, or best thing to do is totally cut the floor out, make a floor section on 2x1 box mount the front and back loop off it and make a bulk head its pretty straight forward. incorporate the front and back geomitry to take the front and back suspension. then drop the steel shell onto it. From the sill top, taking the sill and floor away.

once one is done i would suspect a full spaceframe would be anything from £1000 to £1500 with all the mounting points in place. Dont get me wrong im not saying that thats how much it would be just trying to compare what i have done before and what ARD have done.
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:13 pm

No your on the mark john to do say a 3inch chop you can lose the sill and just use the floor and front bulkhead and if you wanted you can fit a full glass top so you can saveweight by getting shot of the scuttle and roof pillars ,which ever way you go its a lot of work and realy you need to be looking at useing a shell thats near on knackered as far as arches and that go ,i would think that the problem will be how much the roof,doors,rear wings and front end will be
Mike yes i know the cage would have to be upto date spec , i may just keep an eye out for a shell and build it just to test the water and see how it goes if it dosent sell i can build it up and get my old man back out just to give leo a target to chase :lol:

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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:22 pm

Shame we arnt closer Colin, I would have gladly had a crack at it with you. Ive done it loads of times with many shells. The last one which was a 106 peugeot with a type r engine and gearbox was just a shell totally gutted no floor no boot no bulkhead and you could pick up up single handed. I made the floor brace put the cage on it and then attached all the other bars. Made up the front and then grafted a steel bulkhead back into, the body was welded to the base frame but could have been bolted , but this wasnt allowed.

The car weighed 595 which is damn good for the size of engine and box.
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by colin rooney on Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:13 pm
No your on the mark john to do say a 3inch chop you can lose the sill and just use the floor and front bulkhead and if you wanted you can fit a full glass top so you can saveweight by getting shot of the scuttle and roof pillars ,which ever way you go its a lot of work and realy you need to be looking at useing a shell thats near on knackered as far as arches and that go ,i would think that the problem will be how much the roof,doors,rear wings and front end will be
Mike yes i know the cage would have to be upto date spec , i may just keep an eye out for a shell and build it just to test the water and see how it goes if it dosent sell i can build it up and get my old man back out just to give leo a target to chase :lol:


I'd love to see that all right.

Yeah,that was what I was on about,a scrap shell from a resto point of view could be reincarnated as a racer.

I agree it would be a lot of work,but sq section steel is a hell of a lot cheaper than a race engine.

It might well be a good avenue to investigate.
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