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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by colin rooney » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:24 pm

big J wrote:Jesus Col,you must have eyes like a hawk :D
No they are from a magazine but i dont know how to get them bigger on club sit ,

sumowomen wrote:That's the car i asked about in the steel bodied tread. It was sold to Martyn Sims, does any body know what happened to it after that. ??????????
I dont know what happened to the car but im nearly sure nick is still racing i know he was racing alfa 75 another good rwd car

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Post by big J » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:19 pm

If you want to send the scans to me,I'll try and resize them.
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by knocker » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:04 pm

Robert Knox
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Post by big J » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:47 pm

Nice one,Robert.
Quite a rate of attrition sadly.
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Post by knocker » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:26 am

big J wrote:Nice one,Robert.
Quite a rate of attrition sadly.
Thats Imp engines for you!! :lol: :lol:
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Post by colin rooney » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:06 pm

big J wrote:Nice one,Robert.
Quite a rate of attrition sadly.
Not if you fit a dry sump system happy days of racing :lol:
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Post by speeddemon » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:51 am

has anyone found any info we regards to my car? :D
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Post by jch1imps » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:23 pm

the 108 imp i owned this car many years ago i bought it from brian mcloud in alness i sold the car to adrian hamilton.it is a rawlson chassis with a one peace davrian body it was fitted with a 998 carter or chesaman engine gearbox had jack knight close ratios third and top gears.raced it at knockhil broke the driver side rear wishbone and later sold it never done any thing with the brakes so cant say much about them
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Post by colin rooney » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:04 pm

jch1imps wrote:the 108 imp i owned this car many years ago i bought it from brian mcloud in alness i sold the car to adrian hamilton.it is a rawlson chassis with a one peace davrian body it was fitted with a 998 carter or chesaman engine gearbox had jack knight close ratios third and top gears.raced it at knockhil broke the driver side rear wishbone and later sold it never done any thing with the brakes so cant say much about them
cheers james hall
so it had a rawlson chassis and davrian body what a mix wonder what happend to it so many of these cars are sat in garages and people wont sell them

Now could car 108 be speeddemons orange and white car look at the holes in the bonnet
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Post by speeddemon » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:27 pm

Col i think it is a good possibility, as under the white paint around the windscreen is blue paint same as 108 car.

I think the engine and box was seperated from the car when sold as the guy who i bought it from, bought a different engine and box from a differnet guy he bought the car from.

I noticed the holes in the bonett identical id say.

By the way ive just rebuilt the carbs and exhaust is now sorted, New seals in the gearbox so ready to put it all back together, just waiting on some new water pipe and shoulndt be far of running.


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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Clive Brown » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:34 pm

colin rooney wrote:these are of my friends mason spaceframe
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....except to the best of my knowledge, Rob Mason never made a spaceframe Imp other than mid-engined Ford or Hart powered ones! The one spaceframe Imp-powered car he did race was the ex-David leaver car when Ernie Woods owned it, later sold to Alan Field. Mason Stilettos all used steel floor pans with front and rear tubular extensions.
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Post by big J » Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:43 pm

Bout time you showed up! :lol:

Could it be -as driven by Rob Mason-
as opposed to built by?
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Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:31 pm

big J wrote:Bout time you showed up! :lol:

Could it be -as driven by Rob Mason-
as opposed to built by?
That's my thought on it! To my knowledge, he only ever raced the one spaceframe Imp-powered Imp, which was the Ernie Woods car. I went up to Leicester with Woody to buy the car from the Leavers (who ran it as an 850) as a roller complete with a Knight 5-speed, and put Woody's 1-litre, which I built up from a blown ex-Homewood Bevan motor, into it.

The car was a bl***y good effort by the Leavers father and son for a homebrew, but lacked triangulation round the front end. However, Woody crashed the car at Brands, and I had John and Ronnie Woods (no relations) repair the car with a much-improved front end to the spaceframe. Then Woody broke his wrist, and I suggested that Rob could fill in whilst he was recuperating. For the results, see here

I've got (somewhere!) some pictures of Rob having at David Enderby's Karmann Ghia at Thruxton in the car, which I will scan and post if only I can find them! And remember, the KG qualifies for this forum because it was originally built for, and used, a one litre upright Imp, and later used an 1120, before it ever became BDA powered!
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:54 pm

big J wrote:John Whyte,Doune 89

Cracking shot of the Bevan Stiletto being worked on,just the right amount of silencing too.
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I think that's me sitting on the trailer wheel! The car looks to have its BDG installed, rather than the FVC; the former went bang in a big way at Snetterton immediately after a fresh rebuild.

The car was not a true spaceframe; it had an original Stiletto centre section with tubular extensions front and rear to carry its Lotus 69 suspension.

Oh happy days!

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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:20 pm

KiwiHusky wrote:big J said,
Oooh,arty :lol:
Thanks for joining in,KiwiHusky,got any more?
Right you are then, here are a few:
Fred Hendy's Imp driven by Rob Mason leading Brian Cuttings spaceframe Stiletto at Snetterton 1980.

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Mike Parkes leads Brian Cutting's Stiletto and Rob Mason in Hendy's Imp in the same race at Snetterton.

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Hendy's Imp on the trailer with a youthful Simon Dobier (left) and Clive Brown (right) working on it

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Not a spaceframe car I know but thought you wouldn't mind, -John Homewood (right) inspects his 998 Davrian Imp saloon for damage after being punted amidships on the slowing down lap by an in-gracious Peter Balwin :roll: after John had beaten him in his 1300 BDA Mini in a combined class race!!

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Not Fred Hendy's car at all; that was a Rawlson spaceframe with the same external shape as John Homewood's, which was a fibreglass Davrian monocoque. There were two Rawlson spaceframes built, the other being for the late Chris Roberts, but the Rawlson spaceframe was grossly overweight, as it was built like a tank! Fred's car, which always ran as an 850 using my engines, was sold to Peter Halls, who had the outer structural sidepods removed, and rebodied the car- possibly with Maguire panels? The car was red, and used a Carter 1220, which I later rebuilt. The blue car pictured is actually a rebuild of the Mason Stiletto which Rob built for Vic Lee, which Vic crashed heavily at Old Hall at Oulton. it was rebuilt and rebodied with a Rawlson overshell, which is where the confusion with Fred Hendy's car probably stems from. Usually, Rob's friend Paul Burt drove the car; pictures of Rob at the wheel are rare.

Finally, the silver car with a very sideways Bill McGovern at the wheel is actually a genuine Mason Stiletto which Rob built (I believe) for Michael Holland! Hope this helps....
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by colin rooney » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:27 pm

Clive you say the blue car is a re bodied stiletto spaceframe car well looking at it the rollcage would not be as close to the pillers as rake of the screens are not the same so was the cage altered to turn the frame into a saloon

also good to have you join in

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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:31 pm

stuartbrownsey wrote:Image

Not sure who the driver is or what year but this is Rob Masons / Ernie Woods imp
Don't think it is! I would be inclined to think that it is Mike Luck's (another nice guy), but it seems to differ from ernie Woods Laser Imp in a number of aspects!
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Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:40 pm

colin rooney wrote:Clive you say the blue car is a re bodied stiletto spaceframe car well looking at it the rollcage would not be as close to the pillers as rake of the screens are not the same so was the cage altered to turn the frame into a saloon

also good to have you join in

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Col - Glad to be back again- should have been here sooner. It was indeed a rebodied Mason Stiletto- not, therefore, a spaceframe car. Vic Lee's accident at Oulton was a big accident- heavy nearside front- and I went to fish him out of the hospital in Crewe with his leg in plaster. The original (structural) rollcage was completely fu- er, ruined, so the rebuild using a Rawlson saloon overshell did indeed use a different rollcage, and I think, maybe even a new floorpan.
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:57 pm

KiwiHusky wrote:Hi from New Zealand. What a fantastic thread! It has brought back a lot of great memories of trips I made to the UK in the late 70's-early 80's to stay with and go racing with John Homewood and his special saloon friends. They were wonderful times.....
I took some photo's back then some of which are already on the Autosport forum, but here are some more...

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Fred Hendy's spaceframe Imp at Snetterton in 1980

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These two shots of Fred's Imp were taken using a fish-eye lense that Rob Mason had kindly lent to me for the day.
Not Fred's car .... that was always Homewood/Godfrey Hill yellow, and was a Rawlson spaceframe. It's Rob Mason' s own Mason Imp, steel floorpan, and uses a 1 litre motor which I built for Brian Hill of Godfrey Hill gearboxes. Later used in Ernie Woods' Stiletto, which Rob also drove! Note my patent reverse cone silencer (hah! spit!) in the o/s/r three quarter view....
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:11 pm

[quote="big J"]Howdy ding dang doodilly neighbourinos
Seeing as I'm stuck in the house,off I went on the web again.I found a thing called Flicker,which seems to be people collecting and sharing photos off the web,excellent idea :D
The sites a Deusie,the pics I got are by Alscarstuff and Comfortably numb.

The "John Homewood" picture ain't John Homewood, it's Fred Hendy.... Note Fred's trademark copulating ducks ("Fly United") on the front spoiler, and the different front rad. treatment. My short-stroke 850 in the back!
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Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:23 pm

stuartbrownsey wrote:Image
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A couple more pictures of the mason imp currently under restoration

If all goes to plan it should be out next season competing in the semsec championship
The owner is making a stunning job of the rebuild, it should be very competitive.
Not a Mason Imp, but the Leaver-built Imp owned by Ernie Woods that Rob Mason drove. Ernie Woods sold the car to a really nice man from Milton Keynes called Alan Field. He was 6' 20" tall, and had to alter the pedal box to fit in; hence the bulge on the bonnet in the second picture. It covers the relocated master cylinders.
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Post by blown_imp » Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:31 pm

Right, thats it! I cannot go any longer! I WANT a spaceframe imp! :lol:

I have been planning a spaceframe project for quite some time now, but it was never going to be imp based, infact my supercharged imp was going to be sold to fund it!

These two were what originally put the idea in my head when I was at college around Y2K and just discovering imps.

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Now it has become too much, I have to wait until we get our new house with a garage, but I will be making a spaceframe imp using my supercharged engine, it just has to be done!

That is all I have to contribute, please please keep putting up the pictures, I just love it!

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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by big J » Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:36 pm

Clive,re-the blue Mason Imp above,used a Davrian(?) body over a steel floorpan?

Why would that be done,regulations or simply faster to build using an existing floorpan?

Blown Imp-I'm sure I can remember that race,your b&w pic,they were great days at Ingliston. :D If only I'd thought to bring a camera.Me too,by the way.Next project is a spaceframe. :lol:
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Post by blown_imp » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:30 pm

Dirty great set of split rims, oh so low, with the current supercharger, or a variable vane turbo, mental!

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Post by Basildon310 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:36 am

Clive Brown wrote:a really nice man from Milton Keynes called Alan Field. He was 6' 20" tall
:shock: bl***y 'ell that's 7' 8" in old money!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Basildon310 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:37 am

Basildon310 wrote:
Clive Brown wrote:a really nice man from Milton Keynes called Alan Field. He was 6' 20" tall
:shock: Bl***y 'ell that's 7' 8" in old money!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Clive Brown » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:04 pm

Alan Field's wife was Scottish, but I can't to my shame remember her name. Alan was, though, not at all Imp-sized, 6' 20" was no misprint; he was long!

There might be a sub-thread in this for the sadly obsessive; Brian Cutting was fairly tall, End-it-all must have been 6' 2" or so, and of the great Imp drivers, probably only Rob Mason and Bob Jarvis could be described as "compact". Contrast this, if you will, with the great Mark Martin in NASCAR, who really is a midget!
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Post by Clive Brown » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:10 pm

Davrian-style overshell, made by Barry Shepherd at Rawlson in Dover, with the body dropped over a stock floorpan with the outer sills cut off and new inner sills fabricated from sheet steel; you got it!

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Post by Clive Brown » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:15 pm

supaimpy wrote:is the Jeff Ward the guy that used to run company called Wardspeed? he was based down in Dorset and I remember there being a racing Imp in his workshop at one point.
No- that was Reg Ward, a renowned Mini racer who ran spaceframe 850cc eight-port Minis, then Mini-Imps, and finally a monocoque Mini-Imp which he wrote off at Thruxton. Reg's other half was one Deirdre Garlick, who really could drive a race car.
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black stilletto-ex les campbell scotland-mark steed newtownard now,white maguire stilletto ex phil lomas-earling jensen exported to japan i think?,white ginetta g12 george douglas still in ownership,red spaceframed stilletto geoff thorne wereabouts unknown,rover sdi 3.5 earling jensen,white skoda ex john pudsley-brian fisher ran it together really,brains son is a very good single seater driver with juno and is incredibly quick,john pudsley also raced davrians,maguires,and other makes

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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by KiwiHusky » Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:33 am

Clive Brown wrote,
Not Fred Hendy's car at all; that was a Rawlson spaceframe with the same external shape as John Homewood's, which was a fibreglass Davrian monocoque. There were two Rawlson spaceframes built, the other being for the late Chris Roberts, but the Rawlson spaceframe was grossly overweight, as it was built like a tank! Fred's car, which always ran as an 850 using my engines, was sold to Peter Halls, who had the outer structural sidepods removed, and rebodied the car- possibly with Maguire panels? The car was red, and used a Carter 1220, which I later rebuilt. The blue car pictured is actually a rebuild of the Mason Stiletto which Rob built for Vic Lee, which Vic crashed heavily at Old Hall at Oulton. it was rebuilt and rebodied with a Rawlson overshell, which is where the confusion with Fred Hendy's car probably stems from. Usually, Rob's friend Paul Burt drove the car; pictures of Rob at the wheel are rare.
Thanks for clearing that up Clive, I must admit I wasn't 100% sure about some of the info. but didn't think I was that far out!! I didn't realise Vic's car was rebuilt as I thought it was absolute toast after the accident.
Cheers, Simon.
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Clive Brown » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:46 pm

big J wrote:How's it coming along,Stuart,any idea when it'll be out?


****post edited to include comment from Kevan McLurg
Laser Transport Stiletto is Ernie Woods,Rob Mason driving the same car on page7****
That is actually Rob Mason at the wheel of Ernie Woods's car; it's heat 2 of the Barry Reece Trophy at Lydden, and the body work damage was sustained in 'assisting' Tony Davies's Firenza to move out of the way at the Devil's Elbow to let Rob back into the lead. Rob eventually won the heat!
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Post by turntheburn » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:03 pm

Clive Brown wrote:
stuartbrownsey wrote:Image

Not sure who the driver is or what year but this is Rob Masons / Ernie Woods imp
Don't think it is! I would be inclined to think that it is Mike Luck's (another nice guy), but it seems to differ from ernie Woods Laser Imp in a number of aspects!
this is the laser imp with me racing at lydeen
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by big J » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:22 pm

And you are........? :D
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Post by turntheburn » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:55 pm

big J wrote:And you are........? :D
my name is paul turner i owned this car and raced it for quite a few years but lucky enough its being rebuilt to a very high standard by a very good freind of mine
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Post by colin rooney » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:20 pm

my imp with rear end hanging out :lol:
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Post by colin rooney » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:20 pm

turntheburn wrote:
big J wrote:And you are........? :D
my name is paul turner i owned this car and raced it for quite a few years but lucky enough its being rebuilt to a very high standard by a very good freind of mine

Welcome on board paul
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