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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by Megapin » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:51 pm

At the end of the day there's only one way to find out who's car will be the quickest and that's to get racing.
Power to weight ratios matter less than skill behind the wheel and that is only learned (usually) from time
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So see you all at Silverstone in May in the small cc class !
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by colin rooney » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:38 pm

Great to see abit of banter about getting cars out and that's what is needed ,Does it really matter who has the quickest imp ,to me no as my semi spaceframe car weighs in at around the same as Stuarts but the height of a standard body style is catching a lot more air my front on the rawlson is around 10 inchs heigher than the new front I have for the Maguire ,so please boys don't start a debate on who is quicker lets just try and keep the series going


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Post by moose » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:46 pm

no need for a debate colin my rally car would be the fastest :lol: i wont come out on the race series to prove it to you all :lol: me and the co-driver weigh the same as some of your cars :lol: it would be good to see some of the cars on this thread on the track
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Post by Piers Phillips » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:59 pm

Hi Mile,
Well the CSCC have very sensibly waived the ruling saying that Spaceframe and Sequential gearbox cars are to move up a class. Therefore your Engine size installed is your determined class !

Happy days for the Imp brigade !

It does however say that any Man City supporters must start from the pitlane at every event !

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Post by speeddemon » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:41 pm

Martin now were talking sense :) your understanding me. Unfortunatley many people who use these forums cling to nonsical power figures and do nothing to prove there words have nothing to do with race cars, have never built engines and have never competed. We call them dreamers and messers. We have heard it all before on here. Go back to the start of the thread and read through all the so called great ideas and dreamers who wanted to start racing, especially in a spaceframe car . Infact the HTs was just that, a dream.

Lucky enough there are a handfull of people who want to compete and have a go, whether its once or twice a year at least they come and have a go. So like Piers says lets get out racing.

Unlucky today for the Toon army was routing for them to turn over them gooners.

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Post by speeddemon » Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:46 pm

Well done Martin you understood me.

Messers and dreamers on this thread thats why there are only a handfull of spaceframe imps about racing and no one aprt from the usual fellas are involved. Heard all the tails at race meetings and listened to nonsical people go on about how great this engine was and that engine. Im simply stating factual evidence.

Anyhow like piers says get out racing and enjoy these great cars

See you all in the new year with my 152 hp imp hahahhahahah

toon army not quite enough to defeat the gooners, but dont worry piers the blue moon is rising high high high above the red smog hahaahhah
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Post by rob mason » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:27 am

Hello to everyone.
How lovely to see all the Imps and some special memories, seeing again photos of cars and people I had forgotten and some who are still in my head.
My racing career started long before the Imps because I first started out in Minis. George and Peter Bevan lived close by, George asked me to modify their new to be championship winning Imp wheel arches,which at the time where just hammered up to give clearance. I was a Panel Beater and already had a reputation for producing very fast minis.(That was another life, in fact thinking about it Ive had about three lives already)

My brief was to cut away the inner arch and raise so as to enable the wheel to go up inside the wing without touching any metal. Then the outer wing had to be hammered out to produce a bulbous shaped arch in steel not using any filler. This had to be done on all four arches.
I did this whole job for free but asked one thing, I would like to go as a team member to some races.
Bill McGovern was a friend of my dads and had raced together so I knew I would fit in, although I had forgotten a 1000cc race at Brands Hatch when Bill and I were racing for the lead and on the last lap I push him aside and went on to win. I remember George being really upset with me for hitting his driver. I told George to speak with Bill first before making judgement. Bill had to own up to the other damage on his car where he had bashed hell out of me where George couldn't see.

When I got to see the imp next I was surprised to see my master pieces had been cut off and in their place were arches made from GRP to the same design I had carefully sculptured. These became the Homologated Roots Wheel arch kits that were sold to all Imp owners around the world.

My plan to go with George to the international meetings were calculated because it gave me a face and the opportunity to mix again with the big teams like Broadspeed and other works sponsored teams.
I had already been the year before racing in the British saloon car championship with a Don Moore 1000cc mini against Alex Poole who went on to win the championship. I knew this imp of George´s was going to clean up and mini´s were finished, although I didn't manage to secure a drive from front wheel drive to rear wheel drive and ended up racing yet another mini Cooper S but this time 1300cc.
In that championship year if I was just one car in front of George/McGovern duo I was doing well in my class. It was impossible to shake the imp off.

I did get a test drive in the now famous Bevan imp and although I turned in good times I felt I had failed miserably. It was too much of a change from front to rear wheel especially with the pendulum effect of the engine hanging out the back. Another car had been built for a Silverstone European International race and I think Ray Calcut drove the car (Clive would know) although I was the acting chief mechanic for the car. You can learn a lot from drivers when they think your on their side!.

I did manage to make good contacts and meet the right people because I raced rear wheel cars and even won the second round of the British saloon car championship at Brands Hatch in 1974 after the rules were changed to stop the Bevan Imps winning.

You all may find this very boring but I was prompted to write in because after seeing those photos that Syd Bennett posted on the 20th June 2010. of the first car I built that carried George Bevan name reminded me how I produced the car and i believe was the first to be built like it.
George offered to loan me all the second hand parts that had been used over the past 3 years but I had to build the car myself.
If you are interested I will write again telling how I produced the car without any GRP panels being bought and the way I fabricated the rear and front ends to support the suspension.
In loving memory of George and Doris Bevan.

PS I watched the Barry Reece Memorial race at Lydden Hill on Utube, He´s a dirty driver that Rob Mason.
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Post by johnh875 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:36 am

"If you are interested" - a thousand times yes!

Fascinating to hear about not just the Imp side of things but racing I didn't grow up with. Thanks for sharing/documenting your a few of your memories Rob.

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Post by Lotus-e-Clan » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:34 am

+1 :D

I like the fact that you found the rear weight bias difficult to master after racing minis. Suggests subconscious skills that are embedded and difficult to change in the short term. I too find it difficult to go from my Clan to my RWD Lotus ... keeping the foot in on bends in the Lotus is a disaster -especially in the wet! :lol: Clan004
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by bks974c » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:04 am

Rob

Very interestng read, love to hear more :D

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Post by Gaffer » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:31 am

johnh875 wrote:"If you are interested" - a thousand times yes!

Fascinating to hear about not just the Imp side of things but racing I didn't grow up with. Thanks for sharing/documenting your a few of your memories Rob.

John
Love it. Fascinating to hear first hand. More please.

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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by ImpManiac » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:19 pm

As above, Rob. :D Keep the posts coming! It is truly fascinating to hear the history behind the Bevan cars and the spaceframes alike. 8)

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Post by smartfella » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:28 pm

Hi Chaps.
I am new here.
I found this thread while I was looking for photos of my brothers racing days. He raced a Sunbeam Imp . (could be wrong)
He passed away some years back so info is hard to come by.
I come across my uncle Noel Dickson's name and wanted to share a photo of him & 1 of my brother in there racing days.
Does anyone remember Cecil(Tat) Dickson racing in the North of Ireland.
Tat is racing the Orange Imp.
Any info would be great
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Post by rje » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:22 pm

I remember Noel and I think I know who has his car now but I'm sorry I don't remember your brother. Noel and John Leinster. whose son was on here a while back, were always very competitive.
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Post by knocker » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:56 am

stuartbrownsey wrote:Bit of a negative attitude Rob

It only takes a few more small capacity cars to come and play (ie you) to make
a good championship even better. Maybe now the SEMSEC championship has folded
a few more will join in the fun.

Were planning on been out next year and Piers will have his car finished (Its absolutly stunning !!)
Colin Rooney has started his rebuild so that will be three in the future.
Couple more and it will be happy days.

Stuart (Rodwell Motorsport)
Hope all is underway ready for the 10th May Stuart & Piers we need to get theses IMPS out remember.
I will be down at Lydden on the 10th my local track. But will see you both at Brands my second local track end of May.
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Post by ImpRookie » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:44 pm

Hi smartfella.

I know your uncle Noel and your cousin Steven, that photo looks like knockalla.

My dad always talked about your Noel, their days of hillclimbing in the 70's.

I remember being their house when I was a kid.

Hope he is keeping well, I haven't heard from him in a few years.

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Post by smartfella » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:53 pm

Hi Iain

Noel is doing well I think. Stephen lives in Scotland now I think and still does a bit of racing.
Noel's brother Cecil is my dad and you may have met him at the garage beside Noel's house.
I so enjoyed those days and glad my brother took up racing Imp's with Uncle Noel's help.

I hope to see him in March when I go home for a visit and I will mention you to him.

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Post by cov_climax » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:34 pm

Has this one been on here

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Post by colin rooney » Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:57 pm

cov_climax wrote:Has this one been on here

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No Brian I don't think it has until now I have seen it before ,it now looks a very strange bit of kit ,we could do with a few new cars showing up to get the thread going again ,hopefully I will start to update it later in the year when I start build my new spaceframe

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Post by knocker » Fri May 30, 2014 2:09 am

CCSC at Brands this Saturday 3 IMPS entered.
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Post by Megapin » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:19 pm

So who is doing CSCC Modsports Mallory ??
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Post by knocker » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:04 pm

Yes, John Woods will be in the red imp.
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Post by TTK 25L » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:11 am

We will be there with the black one too.
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by ImpManiac » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:55 am

Is it this weekend? :?:

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Post by colin rooney » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:22 pm

no july 20th
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Post by ImpManiac » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:07 pm

Thanks, Colin. I might be able to attend on the 20th. :D

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Post by mapman » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:07 pm

Anyone have any leads on Maguire moulds for new glass panels? I know Chris at Fibreclass has moulds of Colin's Rawlson but he hasn't yet replied to my email. Keith in Northern Ireland may have access to Maguire moulds too, but I don't have any details (costs, timing, etc).
I would prefer to convert my Rawlson Imp to Maguire Stiletto but may default to the Rawlson shape if nothing else can be found.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

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Post by colin rooney » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:04 pm

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Post by 617sqn » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:20 pm

A couple more images from around 1982/83 . see also viewtopic.php?f=10&t=27954&p=263816#p263816

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Post by colin rooney » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:33 pm

Excellent thanks andy the car that you can just see the rear of could be the old rob knox car the blue and yellow 1

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Post by 617sqn » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:13 pm

I've had a look at other photos I have from the same meeting, and I can confirm that this was during the autumn/winter of 1982, as I have an image of an E-type Jaguar which came to grief coming down from Druids and when it came past us up at the top of Paddock Hill bend going back to the paddock, it had "Sponsor me in 83" on the sides. And during a Wendy Wools meeting.

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Post by MisterH » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:36 am

I have just found this forum by accident and in particular this thread and have spent a couple of hours scanning through it. My interest has always been hillclimbs and some of the photos brought back some memories.

grahamdelooze wrote:Kieth do you know who had my car after Tony. I havnt seen any more pictures of it on this thread. After it was black its been painted several times but it ended up red with a white roof.

The answer is I bought it from Tony. I then had it re painted in gold, but later when sharing the car with a friend who owned a Davrian we painted it red with a white roof.

The car ran with a 1120 (which was a hybrid Hartwell motor, with Greetham wedge head and a bit of work by Ian Carter) and Jack Knight box but later with an Ian Carter 1220 and Hewland Mk9 box.

I had the car for about 5 years before it was sold on to a couple of brothers in the South West, sorry I don't remember their name, but I did hear from Ian Toon that it had been rolled and that you had acquired it and were rebuilding it.
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Post by driftwood » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:36 pm

With reference to the Coombe Stilleto photo which is the late Barry Reece Maguire the yellow blue car just out of frame is Mike Laws stiletto a car he built himself with hewland mk9 and March 733 uprights
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Post by ganderson888 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:17 pm

Here's a post made in the Newbie area which
mikedao wrote:thanks for the welcome been a member in the past be 65 soone so i will not be doing a ards test will be doing hillclimb and sprints, trying to find out whoes car i have may be the ex brian davis car :?:
1i got the car off robert knox nice fella
2 who did robert get the car off?=i forgot to ask him
3 was hillclimbed/sprinted late 80s by nick frain/tony oldfield ref p0pular classics sep 1990 pages 68 to 71
4 the car was at torque speed in leicester i think in a bad state i think after a crash at brands hatch 75ish?
5 ref popular classics it said the car had 2-litre engine driven by race driver nick brittan formerly owned by george bevan in the 60s?
6 ref pop classics the car shown the cutouts in the bonnet are the same as brian davis car the catch for the passenger side door
is the same o the drivers side looks to be g15
the scoup for the air intake drivers side rear is the same as brians car
7 please could you allso put this in the space frame area for me thanks DONE!
8 i live in taunton somerset the car will be restored but not by me cant say to much yet thanks mike
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Post by mikedao » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:05 pm

graham thank you for doing this i hope to jog a few gents into a reply i will try to get pics thanks again mike
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Post by mikedao » Sat Apr 04, 2015 5:57 pm

sorry to all it has taken me two days to get photoes on here then mess it up by loading it three times i would not let it beat me
silly old git :oops: feed back would be good thanks mike :D
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Post by Teddie2003 » Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:45 pm

mikedao wrote:sorry to all it has taken me two days to get photoes on here then mess it up by loading it three times i would not let it beat me
silly old git :oops: feed back would be good thanks mike :D
Well once, twice, three times a Davrian(?) then and looks like another of the Davrian Special saloons that's been re-discovered.

Has it been in the South West long and how much yellow paint is on it below the "red bull type" camo finish?

There used to be a yellow Davrian saloon that was used quite a bit on the SW hills in the late 80's early 90's, by Phil Gleed and Alistair ? Think they were from Frome or somewhere near there.

The old Charles Barter Davrian special saloon was also being used in the CSCC series last year.
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:31 pm

mikedao wrote:sorry to all it has taken me two days to get photoes on here then mess it up by loading it three times i would not let it beat me
silly old git :oops: feed back would be good thanks mike :D

Thats ok im sure 1 of the moderators will come along and delete the extra sets of pictures and dont worry you are not alone we have all done it ,glad the car has been rescued and will be great to see it out getting used

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Post by mikedao » Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:33 am

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teddie 2003 yes you are right this write up popular classics sept 1990 thank you for the info

col thanks again for chiping in thing should fall into place in the next few weeks
working on till i am 70 to pay for it no joke
need the boys to chip in fegards whoes car it is
thanks again mike
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