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Post by speeddemon » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:54 pm

Well said.

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Post by colin rooney » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:25 pm

Well the thread is still going just with the way things are people bitching at each other over this and that dont be supprised if the mods lock it and that would be a shame i think that if you have a problem with a supplier please take it else where, as this thread was started by big j to see what cars are still out there and what was out there over the years , i have realy enjoyed reading about other special saloons and hope that more stuff will come along soon so please dont keep having a pop at each other

Tharts my 2p worth :)

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Post by ChrisBenoy » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:39 pm

Well it seems like people have drifted back to discussing space frames in a sensible and constructive way so I currently have no problem with this thread, just keep any arguing to private messages if you really must but I'd prefer people just being friendly. :lol:

I'm tempted to split the motorsport forum into current motorsport and historic (i.e topics about motorsport back in the day) motorsport sections.
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Post by leeboy44 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 am

colin rooney wrote:Well the thread is still going just with the way things are people bitching at each other over this and that dont be supprised if the mods lock it and that would be a shame i think that if you have a problem with a supplier please take it else where, as this thread was started by big j to see what cars are still out there and what was out there over the years , i have realy enjoyed reading about other special saloons and hope that more stuff will come along soon so please dont keep having a pop at each other

Tharts my 2p worth :)

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hi colin

i have no problem with any1 on here it was on another forum

as you can understand ive been pricing for guys that have no intention of getting the job done and wasting my time i dont do it to others so i dont like it done to me, but some guys just dream and thats all it is dreams

z~cars do a spaceframe for £19k and they pay it i can make it for £10k and they cry about the price :lol: it just dont make sence to me

i like to get the job done as fast as i can if there is a way of putting food in the house then i want in my spaceframes are about the £10k mark in that i make £1500 i pay rent on my huge shed i have rates, phone bills ,etc etc i dont make them in my shed next to my house after my day job that pays for my house and bills!!

like i said i do all this for my brother he is the brains of the spaceframes i just want to get on with life and have some fun at the same time

if something is for sale and i want it i will only phone if i have the money yes we all like to have a good deal we there is no harm in asking to knock money off for a pint at the end of the week but i will always got the the guy with the full amount

lets see what we can do on this i will do a deal for any1 i will take any job on big or small it all helps

thanks guys
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Post by big J » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:43 am

I havent been on much recently,my computer's been playing up something rotten,but we're getting there with it slowly.
Given the interest in the spaceframes,I had it in my mind to write a book about them,however first run print costs of between £9000 and £12000 minimum,for the first 1000 copies have pretty much scuppered that idea,I'm afraid.
I had made contact with several guys who had been prominent in racing spaceframes,so I'll maybe do a website or something dedicated to them so that there's some kind of record of them.
For example,Doc Knutsen was one of those who responded and he's kindly put some info and pics on here,but,like so many others I betcha there's tons of stories,anecdotes and pictures still untold.It's something I hope to begin soon enough,but losing my job has made travelling to interview folks somewhat difficult.Here in Ireland,I plan to go and meet the likes of Dan Rooney,Ned Murray,David Hall and the like,so it's still ongoing,at least in my head. :lol:
Having to move workshops (again) hasn't helped either,but hopefully this'll be the last time.

Never mind,it'll just take a wee bit longer,that's all.Hopefully everyone who has responded to this thread will be willing to contribute.
About this thread,it's just a typical internet thing,when you cant see the person responding to you,you cant tell if they're just kidding a bit or having a go,so folk get a bit wound up.No big deal,we're all big boys and I'm sure a good session with us all would have us all laughing about it.
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Post by leeboy44 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:52 am

hi big j

vista do a web offer i got the top offer that gives me everything you will need its £17 a month i dont know if thats alot of money but i'm happy paying that as its so easy to work and change things on it i takes 2mins to make a new page and away you go planing the page its really good

if i can do anything please ask i will be more then happy to help any time with photos of my stuff

i will be building a jarvis spaceframe in the next few months, dont get me wrong its not going to happen over night but it will happen so i can send photos of that , it will be nice to see what every1 thinks of my work

thanks lee
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Post by andy wilson » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:58 am

hi guys ive watched this thread with interested. my interested is in special saloons not just imps there is a lot of interested in special saloons at the moment with a lot of old cars having been rebuilt and there is talks going on with race organisers for a class in current up and running historic championship just need to prove we can get the cars out there . the walter hayes trophy in november as a closed wheel race which we are trying to get as many s/s as possible, spaced framed /semi s/framed or light weight steel cars. All welcome so any imps with the engine in correct place would be most welcome .we are trying to promote this as a classic championship under the old wendy wools regs so no rear engined minis but a bike engine in the back of a imp would be ok as there were bike engined s/s built in the 80s although maybe not imps ?? (sc100) some body on here probably knows better than me please express a interested if you have a suitable car :wink:
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Post by big J » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:36 am

leeboy44 wrote:hi big j

vista do a web offer i got the top offer that gives me everything you will need its £17 a month i dont know if thats alot of money but i'm happy paying that as its so easy to work and change things on it i takes 2mins to make a new page and away you go planing the page its really good

if i can do anything please ask i will be more then happy to help any time with photos of my stuff

i will be building a jarvis spaceframe in the next few months, dont get me wrong its not going to happen over night but it will happen so i can send photos of that , it will be nice to see what every1 thinks of my work

thanks lee
Thanks Lee,that's a good offer all right.My computer problems slowed things up,but a friend is a web developer and is going to set it all up for me,so as soon as we get things sorted,it'll be full steam ahead.
It'd be great to see some pics of the Jarvis,it's a very pretty car.Be sure to photograph everything,I'll be looking forward to seeing it.

Andy,that sounds fantastic.I really hope it happens,it would be so good to see the old racers back where they belong.
Best of luck with it.
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by #13 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:02 am

Would an old special saloon imp with a modern day engine be allowed in such an event??
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:21 pm

#13 wrote:Would an old special saloon imp with a modern day engine be allowed in such an event??
Dont do it you know your dad is right fit the imp engine :lol:
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Post by speeddemon » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:27 pm

Hi all, i have taken note of the comments recently attached to this thread.

I have spoken to lee from spaceframed cars and he is at the stage where I was 6 month ago with regards to getting projects moving. I must support his view that there are many time wastes out there who will probably never build a car but like the idea of a spaceframed car. To be honest all they want to do is talk. I have no probs with that at all. I believe lee and myself work on a similer principle of starting and getting a project off the ground and offering something at a reasonable price.

I have spoken to Lee and have aired my view that this type of project to start with is difficult and if we are lucky we will get around my be 3-5 new spaceframed builds around the country

Obviously this is not going to make anyone a living.

However lee is finding out like i did 6 month ago, that there are many dreamers out there! and there are.

However there are people who could have some great input into this if they used there noggin. The draw back for me at the start as always been panels. they are not cheap, however there are some choses now, but again not cheap.

Now im not complaining, what im trying to say is if we are to get a project off the ground and get interest to generate more spaceframes to build either by an outside person, or someone bulding one them selfs wouldnt it be sensible to be show people what is available.

I can honestly say that if i was selling body panels or shells i would want to get a few out there. I wouldnt be interested in making money , just covering my costs. I dont think people see that.

The difference is with the frame and components is that you can do it in stages, build it up your self andf buy the components when you like.

With regards to a shell, there is limited availability, and the ones that are available seem to be somewhat, how shall we say MISSING IN ACTION.

lets see what will happen and by all means if anyone is looking for genuine help and advise i will be here to help.

Forums have some strange people , Just another example. I had aquired some slicks at £25 each i let the members know , then on the thread where it was listed a member turned around and said they got theres cheaper. I dont think that helps. I had aquired them for myself and maybe as help for others maybe going into motorsport as tyres are very expensive to buy new. So although i thought i was adding something usefull it then got turned into a negative.

But hey i suppose thats life. Some people do it some people talk about it.

Good luck all

Mike
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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by leeboy44 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:45 pm

here here mike
i just cant wait till monday now i will get my prices on the shells and will let you all know

i did have the idea of sitting down and really sorting a good price out for a spaceframe for the shells that we have been taking about, BUT wales played rugby today lost by 3 points to the world champs and i'm now pissed up :lol:

i will get this sorted because if any1 wants a price i can give it to them right away

DONT 4GET VAT IS GOING UP TO 20%

i only charge vat on parts i got to pay vat on all the rest id none vat

this is why i will be buying the shells now and i will be passing the savings on
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Post by knocker » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:42 pm

Been to Lydden today was good to meet up with David Enderby now driving a radical SR4 at a time of 42.9 see hes not lost his speed!! still has the Karman Ghia.
Anyone after a maguire front end or rear wings let me know,as have the moulds for mine. Please note am very busy with my house and a 5 year old so wont happen overnight.
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Post by colin rooney » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:14 pm

did you have the stiletto out rob i was going to pop down but am to busy rebuilding the car

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Post by benwick3 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:50 pm

Mike,
I'm sorry if my tongue in cheek comment about you tyre prices upset you perhaps I should have used a smiley. If you asked around you would find out that I'm not one of the dreamers you talk about but in fact someone who is willing to knuckle down and get on with things including fabricating components, moulding fibreglass panels and all the necessary work to enable me to have raced successfully an Imp-based car for near on 25 years both in the UK and on the Continent.

For the record I've just returned from France having competed in the Saint-Goueno Masters Hillclimb along with a very large Irish motorsport contingent. This was my very first hillclimb and I came away with not only winning my Class but also took the best performance award based on bogey times as well. As I said I don't dream I just get on and do it.

On the space frame front I obtained one in the 70's that had been deemed too heavy for circuit use and so I built it up from a bare frame and used it in the East Anglian Autocross Championship.

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Post by speeddemon » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:06 am

Hi pete, I dont know you personally and have no idea of your motorsport history. I was not refering to yourself as a dreamer, however i did make reference to you about the price of the tyres. Im sure if you had invested a few quid to help out the cause you would have been annoyed with the comment.

Im a very honest and helpful person and dont like to waste peoples time and i expect the same. Ive tried to help bring this idea together and have belief that if we can get supplys of the correct equipment at the right price people can start there builds. That waits to be seen.

Good luck and im hopeful we will meet in the future.

Regards

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Post by leeboy44 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:32 am

hi guys

i have the prices on the shells there not the best but there way under £2k
tim said that the moulds he has are abit ropey but if we are looking to place an order with him then he will make new moulds to replace the old ropey 1's

pm me for the prices or call me on 07969764597

thanks

ps mike i will phone you at 10ish today (i dont think you will like a phone call at 6.30 haha )
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Post by colin rooney » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:14 pm

leeboy44 wrote:hi guys

i have the prices on the shells there not the best but there way under £2k
tim said that the moulds he has are abit ropey but if we are looking to place an order with him then he will make new moulds to replace the old ropey 1's

pm me for the prices or call me on 07969764597

thanks

ps mike i will phone you at 10ish today (i dont think you will like a phone call at 6.30 haha )
Glad to hear you got a price so why no publish it rather than have people contact you and mess you around this way they see the price and know before they get intouch ,i have had this problem with the rawlson panels loads of people wanted them and then when you say a front is £400 they are not interested ,now to me i think thats a fair price when you check out the prices for modern cars

As for Pete i have to say he is a genuine chap and 1 of a few who will go out of his way to help other imp racers or race people i dont think he was having a pop about tyres just saying he gets them cheaper ,Pete im glad you had a good run over in france and i was told by my insiders you were there ,you cant get up to much in this world but someone knows what you at :lol: ,Pete would you be interested in doing anglesey in july with the irish historics i will be there along with Leo

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Post by Megapin » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:38 pm

With reference to Andy's post at the top of this page, I for one will be up for it.
Count me in Andy.
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Post by leeboy44 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:41 pm

it will be nice to see how many guys are after shells and when you speak to them on the phone you can tell if there really after them or not
£400 is about right for the front end if that helps :)
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Post by benwick3 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:56 am

Colin,

Unfortunately I'll not be able to get to Anglesey as I'm at Zolder the following weekend. I will however have to look seriously in the invitation I had at Saint-Goueno to take the Clan over the Ireland.

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Post by syd bennett » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:56 pm

The Bevan Imp was commisioned by George for Bill Mcgovern to drive, but Bill decided against driving and Rob got to drive the car.
Rob & I had similar ideas how the car should be built, but none the less we argued quite a lot and this is the result. Looking back it was quite a straight forward build but I believe that it was the first Imp built this way.

these are some of the photos I have found so far.
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This photo is George returning to the paddock after the cars first race and a win for Rob
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Post by impmann » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:39 pm

Wow - thanks for posting. 8)
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Post by syd bennett » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:42 am

Here is another Imp I did some work on, rebuilt rear arches and general tidy up. I couldn't remember the drivers name, but Clive seems to think it might be Roger Gill's car.
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Post by KiwiHusky » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:17 am

[quote="big J"]Found some more pics on photobucket

Brian Cutting at Snetterton KiwiHusky,did you take this?
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Yes I did, how did you know? I have been a bit slack lately, & have not really kept up with the forum so only just saw your post.
While I think of it, it was Rob Mason's fish-eye lens that I took the photo with.

Cheers, Simon.
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Post by big J » Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:45 pm

Recognised the same picture style from your other photos.
It's a great shot. :)
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Post by KiwiHusky » Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:04 am

big J wrote:Recognised the same picture style from your other photos.
It's a great shot. :)
Cheers, Thanks for the compliment :)
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Post by steve g » Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:30 am

watch this it'll get the space frame impers going, good old days
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Post by big J » Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:50 pm

colin rooney wrote:Watch this to get the blood pumping
The telly nowadays,not a patch on when I was a nipper,all bl***y repeats :wink: :lol:
Bring back Andy Pandy and The Herbs.Proper programmes they were,not like........ :D

Good find Steve and worth posting again for the folks that might have missed Cols post before.
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Post by steve g » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:43 pm

there's too many pretty pictures on this thread to read all the words.... :roll: sorry col :oops:
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Post by rally clan » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:59 am

One of the best companies in the world for restoring and even making Group B rally cars, they have in their workshop the following.

Type the page number into the bottom right hand corner and click on the arrow to the right.
Page 163.

http://www.mat.fi/n_index.php?nav=galle ... oject&g=13
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Post by johnh875 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:48 am

Thanks for posting the video Steve, I've not seen the racing before so very interesting.
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Post by jdm » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:26 pm

big J wrote:Les Campbell just sent me some more pics,and exotic ones too!
This is a March F3 with variously a Vaux 16v or BDA/BDG? coupled to a Hewland box, then owned by Kevin Day.
Good man Les,bang on. :D
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would anyone have any information or recollection of this car? I am currently installing a new engine/box combo for its current owner and would like to find out more of its history/origins. the origonal post suggests the car is March based but its got 6stud rear hubs and the rear uprights/driveshafts resemble lotus stuff i have seen in pictures on 10tenths forum the car is monocoque based ,the righthand tub having been moved out about 6 inches, allowing the driver to sit to the right of centreline (just). any info/views welcomed
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Post by big J » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:26 pm

That's interesting,John.I would have assumed from the pics that it was a spaceframe with a stressed ally skin,but the main tub is a monocoque with a semi spaceframe bolted on.
Could it possibly be a March tub with Lotus corners added,perhaps to suit the owners preference/budget?
Is there a chassis number or manufacturers i.d. anywhere?

Oh,and I know I'm a pest,but some pics of the rebuild would be peaches and creamy. :lol:
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Post by colin rooney » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:41 pm

Who owns the car now

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Re: Spaceframe Imps

Post by speeddemon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:40 pm

Hey all, seems this thread is till aloud, great, Im after some information, with regards to the Mquire imp chassis. Does anyone know the race weight or there abouts.

Also when running perspex, can 2-3 mm be used on the side, door and and rear window sections? let me know please thanks mike
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Post by ImpManiac » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:07 pm

Not certain for your regulations but the MSA blue book says 4mm for my steel-bodied car for sprints and hillclimbs. :wink:

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Post by big J » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:29 pm

Yep,afaik,it's 4mm Mike.Sorry,dont know about the weights but I wouldnt think 500kg would be wildly out??
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Post by colin rooney » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:52 pm

I think its just the windscreen that has to be 4mm but not perspex lexan is good as its polycarbonate ,i think your ok with 2mm in the sides as mine is 2mm lexan and no one has ever said anything about it ,perspex is crap as it shatters as lexan wont hope this helps mike

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Post by big J » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:34 pm

Taken from the blue book-
(h) Except for racing cars, be fitted with a
windscreen. if plastic windscreen, sidescreens or
rear windows are fitted the thickness must not be
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